Why was Morrissey never integrated?

I have never heard of anyone describing M in those terms in any book, interview, anywhere. What most seem to say is that he enigmatic, aloof... somewhat removed from the social element of the industry and private, and that doesn't always go down well.

I remember a Smiths era story where someone said that because M didn't socialise with the crew or the sound techs or anything, they couldn't really relax around him - they were always on eggshells. He was quiet and awkward, and there was a sense that only Johnny understood him so if you wanted something, best to go through Johnny first.

Some people just do not understand introverts and they take this stuff as a personal snub when it isn't at all. Especially when you're a "pop star" and you're expected to be on display, I think that aloof quality can look like rudeness. There have been so many stories on here where M has been cornered by showbiz types in a pub or in a supermarket trying to get on with his day and has ended up giving them a fake phone number and doing a runner. That's totally understandable and relatable to me, not odious.
Yes, I agree with all that you say and was quoting a previous poster who used the word 'odious'. It's not a word I agree with. I was just guessing at some of the reasons for the origin of this separateness and being an introvert could well be one. There are also other factors which could have set M apart from the start (some of which are actually positives) and once these barriers appear people begin creating a narrative to explain them, condemning an introvert for not behaving like an extrovert. I do think that a reaction to the circumstances you describe and the hostility of the press could have compounded these issues and caused a doubling down......
 
It’s also quite interesting that he’s never done guest appearances on other artists/bands albums or songs and very rarely have artists do guest appearances on his stuff. It was the same thing with Elvis. Completely separate from the rest of the music world.
 
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It’s also quite interesting that he’s never done guest appearances on other artists/bands albums or songs and very rarely have artists do guest appearances on his stuff. It was the same thing with Elvis. Completely separates from the rest of the music world.
He definitely has trouble sharing the spotlight with anyone who could be considered as important as he is. The ill-fated Siouxsie duet and the Bowie tour cemented this.
 


I believe in a way was Morrissey poking fun at the Madchester fad
 
It’s also quite interesting that he’s never done guest appearances on other artists/bands albums or songs and very rarely have artists do guest appearances on his stuff. It was the same thing with Elvis. Completely separate from the rest of the music world.

But with Elvis, I think that was more of an influence of Colonel Parker.

On another note, supposedly, Elvis was interested in getting Bowie to produce one of his albums in 77. Imagine what could have been.

 
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But with Elvis, I think that was more of an influence of Colonel Parker.

On another note, supposedly, Elvis was interested in getting Bowie to produce one of his albums in 77. Imagine what could have been.

You’re definitely right about the Colonel. And despite my near-pathological obsession with Elvis, I’ve never heard about him asking Bowie to produce an album. If it’s true, it’s absolutely amazing and, like Yoakam said, a tragedy that it never happened. So many could’ve’s with Elvis…
 
I've played in bands where the local scene was loaded with several decent acts at the same time. I've also played in bands when, at that time, the local scene was as dry as a bone. What happens is a great deal of competition most of the time, with the former. There's also cooperation usually as well, in the form of letting others use equipment, etc. Also, drinking together after multi-bill shows, etc. - that's all done too. These people in other groups were not necessarily my good friends. They were not my enemies though.

Morrissey was always a loner. Loners spend lots of time in their own heads. Many people regard loners like him as strange, odd. He's unique compared to most people. That usually equals a type of loneliness, not necessarily coupled with sadness - as some people like being left alone.
 
Why do you think Morrissey was never integrated with the other manchester bands of the day like New Order, Happy Mondays, and so on...? Why didn't he hang out with them?
Do you think he was left aside because of his sexual ambiguity? Were the other musicians homophobic? Or it was just because Mozzer was more left wing/progressist and the others more violent/racist/conservative?
What do you think? I read your answers...
FFS...why don't you fecking ask him?Twit.
 
I think it's definitely that they were all racist and into conspiracy theories, pictures of skinheads and so on, whereas Morrissey is very left wing and can't stand any of that stuff.
Yeah I lean towards that theory as well... New Order ties with Nazism were/are more than obvious... Ian was even conservative pro-monarchy. Peter tells an anecdote in his book about a crew member that had a black girlfriend, I think her name was Jasmine? And he tells how everybody used to play jokes on that guy all the time. I would say that Peter is the less racist of them all. He even had a jewish girlfriend, Ruth Polski a girl from New York that later died in a car crash.
But yes N.O. open their live shows with sort of Leni Riefenstal's videoclips, Richard Wagner music,etc,etc and dozens other examples...
 
Why do you think Morrissey was never integrated with the other manchester bands of the day like New Order, Happy Mondays, and so on...? Why didn't he hang out with them?
Do you think he was left aside because of his sexual ambiguity? Were the other musicians homophobic? Or it was just because Mozzer was more left wing/progressist and the others more violent/racist/conservative?
What do you think? I read your answers...
Read or Need
 
Aside from the music - bands like that were party animals, drugs and groupies were everywhere, that isn't who Morrissey is. He is introverted, he didn't touch drugs or even drink much in those days, he didn't even socialise with the other Smiths or the crew, he just didn't enjoy going out. I can't imagine someone like that raving in a warehouse, really.
I pray that there are more men like him 🙏
 
Very true. I was very disappointed with Bernard's autobiography Chapter and Verse, because he spends so much ink describing his drunken escapades that albums like Brotherhood and Technique are barely even mentioned in the book. If one wants to read about music, Stephen Morris is the only New Order member capable or willing to write about that as his two books prove.
Yeah totally agree, Bernard's book is not an autobiography is propaganda... He wrote what suited him the best. An autobiography should be sincere and show the good and bad things of a person, not a propaganda book. He even hid things you can read in Wikipedia. Pathetic...
 
I'm sorry, I just can't help it but when I come across moderators here, this scene keeps crossing my mind



A moderator does not equate to a blind follower.
 
I used to go into Manchester every weekend through that period of time and saw most of the members of Manchester bands at places like the Boardwalk, Hacienda and Dry but never saw Morrissey.
Manchester / Madchester was built around Factory Records - The Smiths purposely avoided signing for Factory and distanced themselves from that scene.
Plus Morrissey f***ed off to London pretty sharpish so wouldn't have been seen hanging around The Boardwalk and the International 1 waiting to see The Bodines or The Waltones
 
I remember Moz going to a club once in Manchester many years ago. From what I recall he went and stood on his own and left on his own.
He told me he cried and wanted to die that night.
 
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