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Christ is king!
I do have some good ideas though! Javier milei should install me as his vice president!
It’s not about politics
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gashonthenail
You will own nothing and you will be happy...
Non-Jewish foreigners may naturalize after living there for at least three years while holding permanent residency and demonstrating proficiency of the Hebrew language. Naturalizing non-Jews are additionally required to renounce their previous nationalities, while Jewish immigrants are not subject to this requirement.
Israeli citizenship law - Wikipedia
I agree that how states such as Saudi Arabia or Iran run their affairs is their business, although whether 'the people' in those states would want to run affairs differently is another matter. But the objective question remains - where would you rather live? And where would you rather your children live?
What sort of country we want to live in is becoming the central question of politics in Europe. It is a question that has been asked by Morrissey for decades, and for which he has been vilified. And it looks like the citizens of Europe are answering that question in how they vote and what they protest about on the streets.
Lucifer Sam
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Well, the residents of British Palestine protested in the streets. Their colonialist elites were allowing and encouraging the unfettered immigration of a religious minority, swelling it sufficiently to create a new state. Maybe when an Islamic caliphate is partitioned in the southeast of England, and keeps encroaching northwards and westwards with settlements, Douglas Murray will understand what it's like, and he'll chant "from the channel to the sea!" Will he still be wearing the muscle-hugging sweater? Time will tell.
Born to Harangue
7th generation potato famine survivor 💪
gashonthenail
You will own nothing and you will be happy...
gashonthenail
You will own nothing and you will be happy...
To be fair, though, Aubs, I don't think the comparison is a great one. To suggest that Jews have absolutely no 'claim' to the land there is just erroneous. If the Israel - Palestine conflict was taken to an independent arbitrator, it would be hard not to come to the conclusion that the Jews have some sort of legitimate 'claim' to at least some land in that area of the world. So, we are back at some form of 2-state solution. A 1-state solution, a so-called 'Free Palestine', isn't an option that any sane Israeli would accept, not least because a 'Free Palestine' wouldn't remain 'free' for very long.
Several speakers online have made a rather good point that for thousands of years it has been very easy to kill Jews with no consequences. Now, there is a state called Israel where if you kill 1 Jew they will kill 50 of you. It could be argued that is progress. The woke left are supposed to like 'consequences' are they not? Apparently consequences are a good thing.
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I just want to mention something about knife crime in london. Does anyone know why is happens and if if it related to race or class, religion. Why is it always black teens being murdered, is this culture?
Lucifer Sam
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What would be their claim exactly? It can't be based on the bible (even though Jewish and Christian crazies do make the appeal), because that's absurd and I doubt a third party would support it. And it can't be based on their presence there 2,000 years ago, otherwise Mexico would have a claim on the American southwest and First Nations peoples could hope for a "2-state solution" for much of North America.
It would be tricky to base it on ethnicity, too. The Jews who emigrated to Palestine in the early days of Zionism were escaping the Russian pogroms; the second wave was of Jews from Eastern Europe and Germany fleeing the Nazis. These would be largely Ashkenazi Jews, who in DNA modelling average between one-third and one-half of their genes from Europe. Genetically, they are to the Middle East what half-breed "plastic paddies" in the Irish diaspora are to Ireland.
I don't see how the "woke left" is germane to this discussion. We can leave them out of it. We can make it about Zionism, though, and Zionism wasn't supposed to be a biblical eye-for-an-eye, tooth-for-a-tooth revenge fantasy. It was that Jews needed a homeland to get away from anti-Semitism in Europe. The Zionists weren't religious Jews. Herzl was reacting to the Dreyfus affair, where even if a Jew assimilated and fought for his country, he still wouldn't be trusted. Most of the observant Jews came out against Zionism; the theological consensus was that the Jewish exile was ordained by Jehovah, and any return to the holy land would be done under the banner of the messiah.
Zionism has been an abject failure. If the Jews were supposed to escape the old hatreds of Europe, the solution should never have been to surround themselves with resentful Arabs and routinely instigate them into hating their guts (which is unfortunate, because historically the Jews fared better as subjects under Muslim rule than Christian). Realistically at this point, the only way the Israelis can persist in the land of Israel is to just keep on genociding Palestinians until they're negligible. The Zionists have become deathly religious about the land. But they could be better than their enemies. They could take their immense wealth and human capital, leave behind the land they unlawfully acquired, and establish their homeland peaceably someplace else. That's the only 2-state solution they're going to get, and it doesn't require negotiating with jihadist loonies.
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goinghome
you must not tamper with arrangements
Good point. Do a bit more research and come back to us?
How do you determine where you want to live when your very birth and social conditioning filled you with inbuilt bonds?
Repression, especially of women's rights, certainly makes a country less attractive but regimes currently accused are not the only ones with issues, as stated by a representative of the Democratic Organisation of Iranian Women:
In addition, Western inference seriously complicates the picture, driving factions to be more extreme and authoritarian when they get any power:
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/f/women-are-defined-second-class-citizens-mercy-men
I watched an interview recently with former neo-Nazi and now anti-racist activist, Matthew Collins who recognised that much of his anger came from poverty and betrayals in his own life, such that he welcomed targets to vent on with his 'gang' A TV series, The Walk-In, has been made about his escapades infiltrating and outing radical right groups.
According to him, most people who turn in this direction are coming from places of loss and blame. Tragically their actions often only harm themselves and those they imagine they're representing. As in the case of the Dublin riots which insulted the primary victims of the knife attack and their helpers by grabbing attention and diverting resources from dealing with the emergency. Delinquent behaviour piggybacking on suffering, and only creating more suffering and new victims. Those arrested and punished will not be the shady leaders with dark motives but those with little hope otherwise, who hear lofty assertions about being wronged and hard done by that tune into their grudges and deprivations, which will never be addressed through violence.
ForgotHowIGotMyName
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You're making it way more complicated than it needs to be. I'm racist because I find minorities to be intensely unlikable.
Born to Harangue
7th generation potato famine survivor 💪
Here’s an anonymous post I wrote in this thread 5 and a half years ago which gives a demographic breakdown of the crime statistics across the USA. I thought I wrote a post like this exclusively about London too but I can’t find it at the minute; this post below refers to London a couple of times anyway.
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ForgotHowIGotMyName
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It's a race thing. High levels of testosterone make them more aggressive.
JM🇬🇧
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ForgotHowIGotMyName
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I'm sorry. The real reason that blacks commit over half the violent crime in London is due to white privilege. Happy now?
goinghome
you must not tamper with arrangements
Re. gun crime etc, nowt occurs in a vacuum:
For most people on earth, who were dealing with far less privilege, the notion that we are not the captains of our fate is, like, wildly liberating and humane. I mean, just ask someone who’s genetic profile and metabolism dooms them to obesity and being subject to a lifelong of unhappiness and societal stigma over that, and that’s just one of the billion ways in which the discovery that we’re nothing more or less than the biology over which we had no control and the environment over-, is great news, and is the most humane thing on Earth. All we spent is the last 500 years of scientific insights into seeing that people are not responsible for all sorts of things for which they used to be blamed or made to feel like they are inadequate or burnt at the stake for, and this is wonderfully liberating.
- https://www.newscientist.com/articl...ll-doesnt-exist-according-to-robert-sapolsky/
Now, thanks to those suspiciously-triggered Dublin riots, Ireland is getting water cannon, tasers and facial recognition.
According to Julia Hall, Amnesty International’s expert on counter-terrorism and human rights (in Europe), “what people can say and do is narrowing by the day”, with France proposing to “criminalize people who criticize Israel”, which is “something new”. She adds that “free speech in Europe has been narrowed in record time. It is leaving victims without any voices. I do not think this will be a one-off.” The United Nations (UN) rapporteur Clement Voule has also voiced his concern about such “disproportionate and arbitrary” blanket bans on protests and the like setting “a very worrying precedent that could have a great impact on the exercise of our fundamental rights and freedoms” because in times of crisis people should have “space to raise their voices, grievances and solidarity, and calls for peace, justice and security.”
All such measures clearly violate human rights in Europe in Europe’s own terms, in accordance with article 11 of the European convention on human rights, by stigmatizing minorities such as Muslims and others, and by violating the freedom of peaceful assembly and the freedom of expression. The thing is this trend has not started now with the issue of Palestine at all: in fact, this year Germany banned Russian and Soviet flags during its “World War II commemorations” on Victory Day, this being the very day when the Soviet Union defeated Nazi Germany.
While European Establishment voices may try to demonize populism, we are witnessing in fact the “Maidanization” of the continent, with rising anti-Russian neo-McCarthyism, talks about banning political parties and demonstrations, the Western mainstreamization of the far-right and even Nazism (as long as it is not “pro-Russian”) plus Europe agreeing with Kyiv on “no Russian minority” in Ukraine. Rather than expecting Ukraine to adapt to European norms and values, it would seem Europe is changing in such a way that post-Maidan Ukraine will just feel at home if its accession ever materializes.
- https://www.pressenza.com/2023/11/e...ut-real-specter-haunting-eu-is-maidanization/
‘Our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children’s future. And we are all mortal.’” - JFK
For most people on earth, who were dealing with far less privilege, the notion that we are not the captains of our fate is, like, wildly liberating and humane. I mean, just ask someone who’s genetic profile and metabolism dooms them to obesity and being subject to a lifelong of unhappiness and societal stigma over that, and that’s just one of the billion ways in which the discovery that we’re nothing more or less than the biology over which we had no control and the environment over-, is great news, and is the most humane thing on Earth. All we spent is the last 500 years of scientific insights into seeing that people are not responsible for all sorts of things for which they used to be blamed or made to feel like they are inadequate or burnt at the stake for, and this is wonderfully liberating.
- https://www.newscientist.com/articl...ll-doesnt-exist-according-to-robert-sapolsky/
Now, thanks to those suspiciously-triggered Dublin riots, Ireland is getting water cannon, tasers and facial recognition.
According to Julia Hall, Amnesty International’s expert on counter-terrorism and human rights (in Europe), “what people can say and do is narrowing by the day”, with France proposing to “criminalize people who criticize Israel”, which is “something new”. She adds that “free speech in Europe has been narrowed in record time. It is leaving victims without any voices. I do not think this will be a one-off.” The United Nations (UN) rapporteur Clement Voule has also voiced his concern about such “disproportionate and arbitrary” blanket bans on protests and the like setting “a very worrying precedent that could have a great impact on the exercise of our fundamental rights and freedoms” because in times of crisis people should have “space to raise their voices, grievances and solidarity, and calls for peace, justice and security.”
All such measures clearly violate human rights in Europe in Europe’s own terms, in accordance with article 11 of the European convention on human rights, by stigmatizing minorities such as Muslims and others, and by violating the freedom of peaceful assembly and the freedom of expression. The thing is this trend has not started now with the issue of Palestine at all: in fact, this year Germany banned Russian and Soviet flags during its “World War II commemorations” on Victory Day, this being the very day when the Soviet Union defeated Nazi Germany.
While European Establishment voices may try to demonize populism, we are witnessing in fact the “Maidanization” of the continent, with rising anti-Russian neo-McCarthyism, talks about banning political parties and demonstrations, the Western mainstreamization of the far-right and even Nazism (as long as it is not “pro-Russian”) plus Europe agreeing with Kyiv on “no Russian minority” in Ukraine. Rather than expecting Ukraine to adapt to European norms and values, it would seem Europe is changing in such a way that post-Maidan Ukraine will just feel at home if its accession ever materializes.
- https://www.pressenza.com/2023/11/e...ut-real-specter-haunting-eu-is-maidanization/
‘Our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children’s future. And we are all mortal.’” - JFK
Born to Harangue
7th generation potato famine survivor 💪
Here’s the electoral history of Ivana Bacik, the third person in that video who said “we shouldn’t forget our parliament still looks very male, very stale and pale” (I’m leaving out the times she sat in the Seanad as a consolation prize which the general public doesn’t vote on):
“Bacik contested the Seanad Éireann elections in 1997 and 2002 as an Independent candidate in the Dublin University constituency but was not successful in these outings.
She ran as a Labour Party candidate at the 2004 election to the European Parliament in the Dublin constituency. She ran with sitting MEP Proinsias De Rossa, who was also the party president, on the same ticket. She polled 40,707 first preference votes (9.6%) but was not elected.
In June 2009, Bacik was the Labour Party candidate for the Dublin Central by-election she came in third with 17% of the first preference votes.
In May 2010, she sought Labour's nomination to contest the next election in the Dublin South-East constituency but was not selected. In December 2010, she was added to the ticket as the second candidate beside Labour Party leader, Eamon Gilmore, in the Dún Laoghaire constituency for the 2011 general election. Gilmore topped the poll, with Bacik receiving 10.1% of first preference votes but she was not elected.
On 27 April 2021, after the resignation of Eoghan Murphy from his Dáil seat in Dublin Bay South, Bacik announced her intention to stand in the upcoming by-election.
Bacik won this election, receiving 8,131 (30.2%) first-preference votes. It was her fourth attempt as a Labour candidate, and she expressed her delight at the success at the count centre in the RDS. Following the election, she was described by the Irish Times as "a formidable activist and public intellectual" […]. The newspaper claimed that her election was "a long overdue morale boost" for Labour.
In March 2022, she confirmed she would run to succeed Alan Kelly as Labour Party leader. Kelly stated that he believed that Bacik would succeed him. On 24 March 2022 she was confirmed as Labour Party leader unopposed at a party conference in Dublin.”
Imagine this is your electoral history, where you’re given chance after chance despite clearly being unpopular with the public, and you then have the audacity to stand in the Dáil and talk about other people’s “privilege”.
She ran as a Labour Party candidate at the 2004 election to the European Parliament in the Dublin constituency. She ran with sitting MEP Proinsias De Rossa, who was also the party president, on the same ticket. She polled 40,707 first preference votes (9.6%) but was not elected.
In June 2009, Bacik was the Labour Party candidate for the Dublin Central by-election she came in third with 17% of the first preference votes.
In May 2010, she sought Labour's nomination to contest the next election in the Dublin South-East constituency but was not selected. In December 2010, she was added to the ticket as the second candidate beside Labour Party leader, Eamon Gilmore, in the Dún Laoghaire constituency for the 2011 general election. Gilmore topped the poll, with Bacik receiving 10.1% of first preference votes but she was not elected.
On 27 April 2021, after the resignation of Eoghan Murphy from his Dáil seat in Dublin Bay South, Bacik announced her intention to stand in the upcoming by-election.
Bacik won this election, receiving 8,131 (30.2%) first-preference votes. It was her fourth attempt as a Labour candidate, and she expressed her delight at the success at the count centre in the RDS. Following the election, she was described by the Irish Times as "a formidable activist and public intellectual" […]. The newspaper claimed that her election was "a long overdue morale boost" for Labour.
In March 2022, she confirmed she would run to succeed Alan Kelly as Labour Party leader. Kelly stated that he believed that Bacik would succeed him. On 24 March 2022 she was confirmed as Labour Party leader unopposed at a party conference in Dublin.”
Imagine this is your electoral history, where you’re given chance after chance despite clearly being unpopular with the public, and you then have the audacity to stand in the Dáil and talk about other people’s “privilege”.
bhops
Last of the famous international screw ups.
By the looks of it Ireland has gone absolutely bonkers, LOL
