It is Okay to be a Nationalist: Morrissey and national identity - Ramzpaul

Morrissey and national identity - RAMZPAUL

"It is OK to be a nationalist. Native Indians are nationalists. Jews are nationalists for their people. We can be the same."






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lmao he's a fecking idiot.He's actually sitting there having a go at the jews and every die-hard Morrissey fan is walking about like 'Good old morrisey, getting them f***ing jews! '
 
Native Americans don't have a nation since their land was stolen from them by white Europeans, who certainly did not stay in their own country (this is not your country?), and they have lived as 2nd class or 3rd class citizens ever since, exactly like the aborigines (do you see a theme?). So don't give us this nationalist bullshit. He's just like Trump, so I don't see what he objects to about Trump. Such a shame someone so talented, who has made such wonderful, touching music (excluding the current excrement), turns out to be a vile racist.
 
Moz seems exactly correct on nearly everything in the interview - other than equating animal death to genocide - though maybe one day I'll agree on that too. In our politically correct time, no one wants to admit what he said is true. We say we are a bold free thinking people but we lie to ourselves all the time. Most people know what they are possibly getting themselves into when seeking fame. The 14 year old comment was very distasteful but I have to admit he right. It is sick but we have lived in a world were 14 year olds are sexually aware for a long time. Nationalism? Black pride - good. Gay pride - good. Fat pride - good. White/Euro pride - bad? European nations have every right to keep their own cultures. We demand western culture not interfere and steal from that of others while we let European culture be destroyed. Moz defends Israel for the same reason he thinks Germany should retain its culture. Most people cannot take this. Moz defies left and right. His fans on the left are just too rabid to accept anything that is not far left.
 
Native Americans don't have a nation since their land was stolen from them by white Europeans, who certainly did not stay in their own country (this is not your country?), and they have lived as 2nd class or 3rd class citizens ever since, exactly like the aborigines (do you see a theme?). So don't give us this nationalist bullshit. He's just like Trump, so I don't see what he objects to about Trump. Such a shame someone so talented, who has made such wonderful, touching music (excluding the current excrement), turns out to be a vile racist.

A very small number of people on this forum talk sense. The rest of you are all trying to convince yourselves that Morrissey is a nice guy when it's clear he really is not
 
So what led you to quote from an Aaron Banks-run 'news' source which is a mouthpiece of Leave.EU and UKIP?
I thought you blocked me ages ago? You know... after you called me a Nazi.

I don't tell you which news outlet to read or watch do I?
 
according to the german crime statistic of 2016, berlin is, as the newspaper "der tagesspiegel" calls it, "the capital of crime". before that, frankfurt had the highest crime rate. as far as i understand it, there has been in germany in general an increase of 14 per cent more murders and appr. 12per cent more rape and sexual assault. the article i am quoting from does not mention a particularly higher rape rate esp. for berlin or sees refugees as the reason for this increase. so i would like to know where this idea of berlin as a rape capital comes from.
http://m.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/kri...neue-hauptstadt-des-verbrechens/19701872.html
 
according to the german crime statistic of 2016, berlin is, as the newspaper "der tagesspiegel" calls it, "the capital of crime". before that, frankfurt had the highest crime rate. as far as i understand it, there has been in germany in general an increase of 14 per cent more murders and appr. 12per cent more rape and sexual assault. the article i am quoting from does not mention a particularly higher rape rate esp. for berlin or sees refugees as the reason for this increase. so i would like to know where this idea of berlin as a rape capital comes from.
http://m.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/kri...neue-hauptstadt-des-verbrechens/19701872.html
I wouldn't just single out Germany on his statement. Sweden and the UK have suffered too.
 
according to the german crime statistic of 2016, berlin is, as the newspaper "der tagesspiegel" calls it, "the capital of crime". before that, frankfurt had the highest crime rate. as far as i understand it, there has been in germany in general an increase of 14 per cent more murders and appr. 12per cent more rape and sexual assault. the article i am quoting from does not mention a particularly higher rape rate esp. for berlin or sees refugees as the reason for this increase. so i would like to know where this idea of berlin as a rape capital comes from.
http://m.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/kri...neue-hauptstadt-des-verbrechens/19701872.html

Same place as the terrorist attack in Sweden. SWEDEN?!?!?!
 
whats so bad about that? How are we unique if we are blended together ? I like it countries have their own identities . It’s not a negative connotation to say that. Reaction is typical . Gasp !!! It’s ok to want things to your liking. I wouldn’t move to another country and push my belief unto their culture.
 
I wouldn't just single out Germany on his statement. Sweden and the UK have suffered too.
i would stick to the facts, simply for the sake of accuracy and fairness. I am not talking about sweden or the uk at the moment.
 
I wonder how many liberal-left fans Morrissey has lost in the last few days? And whether they will be replaced by new Alt-Right fans who think he is endorsing ethno-nationalist 'blood and soil' notions of nationhood? It's interesting to compare with the Taylor Swift jihad by left-wingers. They denounce her for failing to formally distance herself from Alt-Right types who bizarrely claim her as an 'Aryan Goddess' even though she's said nothing to indicate even tangential support for their views. Will those people now demand Morrissey denounce the likes of 'ramzpaul' who quite clearly thinks Morrissey is endorsing an explicitly white Europe.

Would anyone here endorse a black Africa, or an Asian Asia? I certainly hope not if the very thought of a white Europe is so appalling. I don’t think there is anything particularly offensive about the concept of Europe being predominantly white. It always has been, after all. The Moors had a go, but were eventually kicked out. The first attempts by Islam to conquer Europe predate the first crusade by four hundred years or so.

I know the dear old Germans are doing their best to change it, but if ever a nation could be put collectively on the psychiatrist’s couch they would surely be prime candidates. While we Brits are continually reminded of the Empire (see The Guardian today for further evidence) the Germans more recent, what should we say, indiscretions, are the preserve of the History Channel rather than the comments sections. Berlin’s ongoing attempts to assuage their indelible national guilt might go down well at home, but in the Visigrad nations they seem less impressed by being put on the hook by Germany. For the third time in a century.

Nationalism and the alt-right has nothing to do with it. If I decided to go to Vienna tomorrow I would want it to be like Vienna. I don’t want to see Starbucks and McDonalds and M&S. I’d feel the same about Bangkok or Buenos Aires. I want to see and enjoy their cultures, not some homogeneous sprawl indistinct from Watford on a wet Wednesday,

I’m interested where this odd triangulation of globalism, nationalism and multiculturalism finally ends up meeting. If globalism (not really much more that the old socialist ideal of internationalism with added Goldman Sachs) and multiculturalism are closely allied politically, then why is multiculturalism only reserved for regions within (usually Western) states? Why can we not enjoy multiculturalism on the scale of nations, with each allowed to maintain largely its original culture? Don’t we celebrate and actively try to preserve those things usually? The British government funds the protection of cultural individuality in Wales, Cornwall, the Western Isles and other regions. I doubt there is a barely a government on the planet which does not protect in law the cultural history of one group or another. It is deemed important on that scale. Why not on a national scale? In what way is that less important?

Part of the problem, it seems to me, is that further left you go the deeper the oikophobia. It seems slightly incongruous that the two nations seemingly most reviled in the world if you read the papers, the UK and the USA, are also the primary magnets for immigration. The UK is such a terrible place that as we speak there are young chaps clinging onto the axles of articulated lorries in France desperate to get here to experience the sheer awfulness of the place first hand.

Unless they are just desperate to get out of France, of course, which is entirely possible.
 
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I wonder who exactly is he referring to when he says "WE" can do the same". WHo is "we"? Also being jewish is not about being from one specific country, it's first and foremost a religion. You can be Ethiopian jewish, Russian jewish, American jewish and so forth! so not exactly the best example here.

I must say it is kind of ironic when you think about it; He is after all the son of an Irish family, he established himself in England and later on then moved to L.A one of the most diverse and multicultural city in the world! I know he doesn't mean it in a right-wing, racist way but it bothers me that it is the kind of argument you also hear coming out of the mouth of people such as Richard Spencer for example.

I don't understand why he keeps giving interviews to be honest. It's always the same old nonsense. Why not just do the promotional TV stuff and then the tour! He has alienated so many people and some of his fans and he is getting less and less likeable, it seems. I must say the latest record is quite good! and it's some kind of new venture for him sonically..to some extent.

There is an obvious pattern of self-sabotage. It's a shame! I, personally keep focusing on the music! I have been a fan for over 30 years and he is still an iconic figure in music to me but i understand it's getting really frustrating for some and i wish he would just shut the f*** up!!
 
Moz seems exactly correct on nearly everything in the interview - other than equating animal death to genocide - though maybe one day I'll agree on that too. In our politically correct time, no one wants to admit what he said is true. We say we are a bold free thinking people but we lie to ourselves all the time. Most people know what they are possibly getting themselves into when seeking fame. The 14 year old comment was very distasteful but I have to admit he right. It is sick but we have lived in a world were 14 year olds are sexually aware for a long time. Nationalism? Black pride - good. Gay pride - good. Fat pride - good. White/Euro pride - bad? European nations have every right to keep their own cultures. We demand western culture not interfere and steal from that of others while we let European culture be destroyed. Moz defends Israel for the same reason he thinks Germany should retain its culture. Most people cannot take this. Moz defies left and right. His fans on the left are just too rabid to accept anything that is not far left.

"Black pride" (or even "gay pride) if there such a thing is not about culture it is in my view about acknowledgement, equality and social justice! Also what does it really mean to protect European culture, I'm not sure what exactly is stolen from European countries to be perfectly honest?!
and while I think it is ok for each country/culture to celebrate and champion their singularities and characteristics, It is only ok as long as it doesn't entail the constant bashing or hatred or rejection of others just because...! I mean i'm a black man, I as born in France. I also lived in London for many years and yes I feel essentially European and proud to be. But i don't feel threatened by other cultures.

Let's not forget that Europe has led the colonial movement for years and years and has imposed its own culture on many other countries!

Having said I agree with you and I see where moz is coming from with this! I also understand it's hard for some to stomach this when it's coming from a guy who sang "England for the english", flirted with skinhead imagery, applauds Brexit etc.. and to say Berlin is "rape city" is totally absurd!!

I still love the music though and could probably never do without it!.....We can not just all get along??
 
Would anyone here endorse a black Africa, or an Asian Asia? I certainly hope not if the very thought of a white Europe is so appalling. I don’t think there is anything particularly offensive about the concept of Europe being predominantly white. It always has been, after all. The Moors had a go, but were eventually kicked out. The first attempts by Islam to conquer Europe predate the first crusade by four hundred years or so.

I know the dear old Germans are doing their best to change it, but if ever a nation could be put collectively on the psychiatrist’s couch they would surely be prime candidates. While we Brits are continually reminded of the Empire (see The Guardian today for further evidence) the Germans more recent, what should we say, indiscretions, are the preserve of the History Channel rather than the comments sections. Berlin’s ongoing attempts to assuage their indelible national guilt might go down well at home, but in the Visigrad nations they seem less impressed by being put on the hook by Germany. For the third time in a century.

Nationalism and the alt-right has nothing to do with it. If I decided to go to Vienna tomorrow I would want it to be like Vienna. I don’t want to see Starbucks and McDonalds and M&S. I’d feel the same about Bangkok or Buenos Aires. I want to see and enjoy their cultures, not some homogeneous sprawl indistinct from Watford on a wet Wednesday,

I’m interested where this odd triangulation of globalism, nationalism and multiculturalism finally ends up meeting. If globalism (not really much more that the old socialist ideal of internationalism with added Goldman Sachs) and multiculturalism are closely allied politically, then why is multiculturalism only reserved for regions within (usually Western) states? Why can we not enjoy multiculturalism on the scale of nations, with each allowed to maintain largely its original culture? Don’t we celebrate and actively try to preserve those things usually? The British government funds the protection of cultural individuality in Wales, Cornwall, the Western Isles and other regions. I doubt there is a barely a government on the planet which does not protect in law the cultural history of one group or another. It is deemed important on that scale. Why not on a national scale? In what way is that less important?

Part of the problem, it seems to me, is that further left you go the deeper the oikophobia. It seems slightly incongruous that the two nations seemingly most reviled in the world if you read the papers, the UK and the USA, are also the primary magnets for immigration. The UK is such a terrible place that as we speak there are young chaps clinging onto the axles of articulated lorries in France desperate to get here to experience the sheer awfulness of the place first hand.

Unless they are just desperate to get out of France, of course, which is entirely possible.

Immigration to Europe and 'multiculturalism' is a cloaking device to avoid facing up to painful realities.

 

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