New Morrissy Album

[aly smith]

So Moz wants to much money to make new album (according to Pet Shop Boy - Neil Tennant)
THE GREEDY LITTLE BLEEDER!

 

[NT]

Oh, dear... now I really do think Moz is past it.

 

[Why?]

> So Moz wants to much money to make new album (according to Pet
> Shop Boy - Neil Tennant)
> THE GREEDY LITTLE BLEEDER!

Having met Neil T. various times in the past, I know that he's a very sincere and wouldn't exaggerate. So, what's up with Morrissey? Asking too much? How silly he is!

 

[Ereth]

Re: New Morriss(E)y Album

> So Moz wants to much money to make new album (according to Pet
> Shop Boy - Neil Tennant)

It is Morrissey's right to set his own price. It is his voice and his lyrics. He can afford to wait, and so can we.

 

[Albert Tatlock]

Well, (and this is no bull@#!!!), I have a few contacts in the music industry and an advance of £100K could be reached for Morrissey, no problem.

Thanks for listening.

ps....The queens english is..."too much.." NOT "to much..."

> So Moz wants to much money to make new album (according to Pet
> Shop Boy - Neil Tennant)
> THE GREEDY LITTLE BLEEDER!

 

[aly smith]

> Well, (and this is no bull @#!!! ), I have a few contacts in the
> music industry and an advance of £100K could be reached for
> Morrissey, no problem.

> Thanks for listening.

> ps....The queens english is..."too much.." NOT
> "to much..."
SORRY I DIDNT NOTICE - MY TYPING'S
C AP
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[suzanne]

> Well, (and this is no bull @#!!! ), I have a few contacts in the
> music industry and an advance of £100K could be reached for
> Morrissey, no problem.

> Thanks for listening.

obviously, he wants more!

but seriously, let's ponder this for a moment. let's say that it is true and all of these random recording artists like El Vez, Momus, and Neil Tennent would actually know that moz has a new album. let's ponder a minute all those people who say Boz has no clue. That means one of two things:

1. People like to invent stories that moz has an album and attributing to some source that might sound credible. After all, nobody has really established if that was actually Momus who wrote that, or like what people do around here and use Johnny Marr, Wendy Wu, and Morrissey as their own handles, even if they obviously aren't them.

2. If it did happen and Boz has no clue, we've now figured out the mystery of why Adam Ant would say what he did. Which, that scenario wouldn't surprise me, either. The same happened with Spencer on the last tour.

3. if moz really has a full album recorded, and not just demos, it means that he's footed the cost. Unless he produced the album himself, he would have hired someone. Who is this person? If Boz isn't on the album, who are the musicians who took his place? Where was it recorded? And if he does have a full album sitting in the can, that means he understands the offers that might be given for the album. Why would he complain about the money when he's had all of the years without a label to figure out what people are willing to offer him? Would he really absorb the cost of this album and let it rot out of the pride of not getting a large deal as opposed to taking a somewhat respectable deal and at least covering the cost of what he spent on it?

 

[What?]

It is Momus -- that I can confirm.

> 1. People like to invent stories that moz has an album and
> attributing to some source that might sound credible. After all,
> nobody has really established if that was actually Momus who
> wrote that, or like what people do around here and use Johnny
> Marr, Wendy Wu, and Morrissey as their own handles, even if they
> obviously aren't them.

That IS Momus, because the same e-mail address he used is at his own webpage!

www.demon.co.uk/momus

 

[Zoop]

So this we know:

1. That is really Momus.

And this we don't:

1. Is Momus and/or Neil T lying? I very much doubt it, but...
2. Adam Ant - did he say it seriously or as a joke? Probably the latter, but...
3. A recorded album? I very, very much doubt (see the points Suzanne made), but then again...

I think, personally, perhaps the story was passed on. I mean, Neil T. could of HEARD that Morrissey wanted "too much", and just passed it on. Everyone does it.

 

[educated guess]

> obviously, he wants more!

just like most people do

> 2. If it did happen and Boz has no clue, we've now figured out
> the mystery of why Adam Ant would say what he did.

I say it didn't happen. People are overreacting to the A.Ant statement

> 3. if moz really has a full album recorded, and not just demos,
> it means that he's footed the cost. Unless he produced the album
> himself, he would have hired someone. Who is this person?

Not necessarily; master tapes could be ready, waiting for the final touches

> Where was it recorded?

Although Los Angeles has hundreds of studios, I'd say Ireland last year

> And if he does have a full album sitting
> in the can, that means he understands the offers that might be
> given for the album. Why would he complain about the money when
> he's had all of the years without a label to figure out what
> people are willing to offer him?

Morrissey's not that cold and calculating, is he? Plus the music business changes in unexpected ways

> Would he really absorb the cost
> of this album and let it rot out of the pride of not getting a
> large deal as opposed to taking a somewhat respectable deal and
> at least covering the cost of what he spent on it?

Definitely yes he would but I don't think he will

 

[suzanne]

> just like most people do

> I say it didn't happen. People are overreacting to the A.Ant
> statement

it's a guess! i mean, i obviously have my doubts about something that one person in the entire of the UK managed to see and nobody else!

> Not necessarily; master tapes could be ready, waiting for the
> final touches

but you need a producer, i would think, from the beginning. someone to decide what instrumentation to use and what effects that would be needed to achieve a certain sound, and most of them don't really run it through a processor afterwards. what if they recorded one song and the person they brought in afterwards said, "this song would sound much better as a piano piece, and it could make the difference between whether or not radio stations will play it"? they'd end up recording the entire album again!

But this is under the assumption that they all didn't just say, "let's produce it ourselves!" Which you know that would be a gigantic leap back in the other direction from refusing to record unless Moby produced it.

> Although Los Angeles has hundreds of studios, I'd say Ireland
> last year

uh-huh.

> Morrissey's not that cold and calculating, is he? Plus the music
> business changes in unexpected ways

The music business has the attention span of a gnat. Admit that first. They have to be perpetually reminded that you are worthy of their time. they are sort of like woodland animals that chase after moving objects regardless if it is a pile of leaves in the wind or actual food.

> Definitely yes he would but I don't think he will

i think something has been recorded. demos most likely.

 

[Little Miss Curious]

> it's a guess! i mean, i obviously have my doubts about something
> that one person in the entire of the UK managed to see and
> nobody else!

Lorraine Kelly is on weekdays from about 8:45-9:20, so most people are at work, or at least out of the house, at that time.

LMC

 

[eguess]

Ask Tseng and see if he denies it

> it's a guess! i mean, i obviously have my doubts about something
> that one person in the entire of the UK managed to see and
> nobody else!

OK, so my whole little theory is this: we are experiencing one of those calculated press leaks times. Believe me, it's done more often and more deliberately than we would expect.
Some naive souls on this site think that Morrissey has no web access, no contact with people who run moz-solo and no assistants who carefully watch every single thing that's said (and sold, as the South w/ Morrissey episode showed us) about His Mozzness. Not so.
He knows, and he's trying to make the most of it with this whole hide-and-seek rumors about the already legendary, so far unattainable "Irish Blood, English Heart" album.

> but you need a producer, i would think, from the beginning.
> someone to decide what instrumentation to use and what effects
> that would be needed to achieve a certain sound, and most of
> them don't really run it through a processor afterwards.

Actually you don't need a producer as such to record the songs once the arrangements are done. I mean, you do need one if you're 19 and only know three guitar chords, but that's not the case w/ Moz and the boys in his gang.
You're absolutely right about the re-recording thing: it will probably be done, if only to reinforce the album's aura.

> The music business has the attention span of a gnat. Admit that
> first.

Of course, that's my point: they'll forgive anyone if it means money (remember, for instance, Tom Jones; or if you want to go back even further, there's the whole Sinatra comeback kid thing). Now Morrissey has to make concessions (think MTV unplugged, Marr back on the bandwagon, duo with Britney, whatever), but if greedy execs see US dollars in your next move they'll sign you, pay you handsomely and back you with the usual propaganda assault no matter what you've done before with your career.
Morrissey's been down for so long now that he's probably ready to be repackaged and climb the charts again. And please remember that time passes, old pop figures are going (RIP George Harrison) and they need aged stars to feed the affluent, post-baby boomer generation (namely many of us who were twentysomethings in the last decade but now have grown up, found jobs and made money).

Two final details:
1-why Ireland: he's been there quite a lot for no apparent reason;
-his marketing strategy on this CD will possibly be the along the prodigal son line: back to the where he came from etc etc. Ireland has good studios or so I heard, if I'm not mistaken.
2-do you really want to know how Morrissey's mind works? Read about Oscar Wilde's life-- specially the north-american tour Wilde made in 1881. Similarities will surprise you.

> i think something has been recorded. demos most likely.

Me too, and we will listen to it soon.
Sorry for the exceedingly long post. I tried to make it as concise as possible.

 

[suzanne]

Re: Ask Tseng and see if he denies it

> OK, so my whole little theory is this: we are experiencing one
> of those calculated press leaks times. Believe me, it's done
> more often and more deliberately than we would expect.
> Some naive souls on this site think that Morrissey has no web
> access, no contact with people who run moz-solo and no
> assistants who carefully watch every single thing that's said
> (and sold, as the South w/ Morrissey episode showed us) about
> His Mozzness. Not so.

i never believed it when he said that!

And it's been established that his friend Wendy will come here of her own volition and correct things. not that she has visibly done it in the present times, but there is a reason why they watch this place so closely.

> He knows, and he's trying to make the most of it with this whole
> hide-and-seek rumors about the already legendary, so far
> unattainable "Irish Blood, English Heart" album.

but there is also the story of the boy who cried wolf. not that he's crying wolf, but you can overbuild it to where when it is announced, people won't know to believe or not.

> Actually you don't need a producer as such to record the songs
> once the arrangements are done. I mean, you do need one if
> you're 19 and only know three guitar chords, but that's not the
> case w/ Moz and the boys in his gang.

But a producer mediates the squabbles and sets the tone. that is very important or you will have a disjointed work.

> You're absolutely right about the re-recording thing: it will
> probably be done, if only to reinforce the album's aura.

> Of course, that's my point: they'll forgive anyone if it means
> money (remember, for instance, Tom Jones; or if you want to go
> back even further, there's the whole Sinatra comeback kid
> thing). Now Morrissey has to make concessions (think MTV
> unplugged, Marr back on the bandwagon, duo with Britney,
> whatever), but if greedy execs see US dollars in your next move
> they'll sign you, pay you handsomely and back you with the usual
> propaganda assault no matter what you've done before with your
> career.

True, but he's been lying low. Usually, there is some event that the whole sinatra deal spins on. These days, it's synergy where you have ABC doing a miniseries of your life, and then magazines start running articles about what a legend you are, and so forth.

> Morrissey's been down for so long now that he's probably ready
> to be repackaged and climb the charts again. And please remember
> that time passes, old pop figures are going (RIP George
> Harrison) and they need aged stars to feed the affluent,
> post-baby boomer generation (namely many of us who were
> twentysomethings in the last decade but now have grown up, found
> jobs and made money).

They do, but in the US, most of the people i see at his shows are roughly my age which is in their 20's. He hasn't gone anywhere near being the Rolling Stones where you have some teenager sitting next to someone's grandmother at the show and both getting into it.

> Two final details:
> 1-why Ireland: he's been there quite a lot for no apparent
> reason;

His has familial ties
He has plenty of free time.
Did he actually spend that much time there in 2000, or do you mean this past year when he was seen at the U2 concert?

> -his marketing strategy on this CD will possibly be the along
> the prodigal son line: back to the where he came from etc etc.
> Ireland has good studios or so I heard, if I'm not mistaken.

Hell, i dont know. i've never been in one.

> 2-do you really want to know how Morrissey's mind works? Read
> about Oscar Wilde's life-- specially the north-american tour
> Wilde made in 1881. Similarities will surprise you.

which bio?

> Me too, and we will listen to it soon.

i suppose.

> Sorry for the exceedingly long post. I tried to make it as
> concise as possible.

hell, i can beat you any day of the week. this is normal.

 

[eguess]

Re: Ask Tseng and see if he denies it

> i never believed it when he said that!

My only objection is that apparently he uses an unmasculine, flashy i-Mac to surf the net (I'm truly disappointed, Moz)

> And it's been established that his friend Wendy will come here
> of her own volition and correct things.

She's not the only one, is she?

> but there is also the story of the boy who cried wolf. not that
> he's crying wolf, but you can overbuild it to where when it is
> announced, people won't know to believe or not.

Correct. But that's good for him: Moz would still have the benefit of the doubt and all the while managed to keep his name alive in people's minds

> But a producer mediates the squabbles and sets the tone. that is
> very important or you will have a disjointed work.

Yeah it could happen-- Moz can be quite self-indulgent at times

> True, but he's been lying low. Usually, there is some event that
> the whole sinatra deal spins on. These days, it's synergy where
> you have ABC doing a miniseries of your life, and then magazines
> start running articles about what a legend you are, and so
> forth.

One phone call is all it would take to generate huge news (if the number dialed belongs to Mr. John Maher, of course)

> They do, but in the US, most of the people i see at his shows
> are roughly my age which is in their 20's. He hasn't gone
> anywhere near being the Rolling Stones where you have some
> teenager sitting next to someone's grandmother at the show and
> both getting into it.

True but not universally true-- plus the show audiences and the CD buying public are dcifferent demographics, I'd say

> His has familial ties
> He has plenty of free time.
> Did he actually spend that much time there in 2000, or do you
> mean this past year when he was seen at the U2 concert?

Let's say he's been spotted a little bit too much in Ireland recently (2000/2001)

> which bio?

There's Richard Ellmann's bricklike tome-- the index at the end should take you straight to the events I mentioned, but I guess most OW sites on the web would do for the big picture. Anyway, I'd rather read Wilde than about Wilde

> hell, i can beat you any day of the week. this is normal.

Amazing. For me it's like rewriting Moby Dick or something, but you're pretty clever and raise very interesting points.

 

[stickler]

Re: Any New Morrissey Album won't get air play

> it could make the difference between whether or not radio
> stations will play it"?

Stations won't play anything by Morrissey anymore because he won't appeal to the group that only listens to age specific pop or rap.
That's where the money is now. We (the fans) will buy a Morrissey album and cherish it. You see where the sales have gone for the Best of .., and a new album will face the same end. Morrissey knows that.

 

[jeane]

Re: Ask Tseng and see if he denies it

but there is a reason why they
> watch this place so closely.

God, they sound like the CIA waiting for an uprising...

What's the reason? Marketing possibilities or something much more sinister...?

 

[I'm scared !!!]

Re: Ask Tseng and see if he denies it

> but there is a reason why they

> God, they sound like the CIA waiting for an uprising...

> What's the reason? Marketing possibilities or something much
> more sinister...?

Moz wants my passwords, I knew it, I knew it!! But for what? yes Moz, I can afford your new eventual albums, just record this and I'll buy it.

 

[RML]

Re: your guess is as bad as everyone's

 

[suzanne]

Re: Ask Tseng and see if he denies it

> My only objection is that apparently he uses an unmasculine,
> flashy i-Mac to surf the net (I'm truly disappointed, Moz)

don't knock the Mac! I used to use them in school!

> She's not the only one, is she?

i suppose Boz drops by on occasion as he is the only one with a website of his own, but other than that, hell if i know.

> Correct. But that's good for him: Moz would still have the
> benefit of the doubt and all the while managed to keep his name
> alive in people's minds

yes, but you also notice that in the beginning, when people would toss around those rumors, people would buzz with excitement. now, you get responses like "Zzzzzzzzz".

> Yeah it could happen-- Moz can be quite self-indulgent at times

> One phone call is all it would take to generate huge news (if
> the number dialed belongs to Mr. John Maher, of course)

oh please. why bother dwelling on that? why even mention it as part of the equation when it has no chance in hell of happening?

> True but not universally true-- plus the show audiences and the
> CD buying public are dcifferent demographics, I'd say

not necessarily. the baby boomers who you refer to, show up in droves when Bob Dylan rolls into town. They may not have seen a concert in about 3 years, but they know where to stand in line once it happens.

> Let's say he's been spotted a little bit too much in Ireland
> recently (2000/2001)

so what? he's been spotted a little too much in Los Angeles! If you ended that sentence with "....in and out of studios" you might have something of worth.

but maybe he runs off to ireland to be left alone. when he sits around in LA too much, the nutcases start bothering him. He becomes a sitting duck. And again, if you didn't have to work and you had nothing else better to do, what would you do with your time? Would you stare at the inside walls of your home and watch out the window as nutjobs pick through your garbage and rummage through your mailbox? Hell, i sure wouldn't.

> There's Richard Ellmann's bricklike tome-- the index at the end
> should take you straight to the events I mentioned, but I guess
> most OW sites on the web would do for the big picture. Anyway,
> I'd rather read Wilde than about Wilde

enh. but Oscar never really parked himself in LA with a house of his own, did he?

NOt that i've read any of this stuff, but i'm taking a guess as you seem to hear about him opening plays in London and hanging out with his boyfriend more.

> Amazing. For me it's like rewriting Moby Dick or something, but
> you're pretty clever and raise very interesting points.

i suppose. but i type at lightening speed!

and also, why would David T answer truthfully to me about anything? wouldn't he be in on the big conspiracy as well?

oh, and i watched the Adam Ant video. true, i'm not skilled at reading English mannerisms, but I think he sounded serious. Put it in the context of the rest of it, and he says the "used to play with Morrissey" in a matter of fact tone.