"Meat is Murder" supposedly great

wolve

the sad punk
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/filmandmusic/story/0,,2102907,00.html

The Smiths Meat Is Murder
Nominated by Jackie McKeown of 1990s

I'm a Smiths fan and I like most of their records, but this is the weakest link in the canon. With the debut and The Queen Is Dead, you could cut up Morrissey's lyrics and they could be pages from the same book. For Meat Is Murder, he seemed to make a list of topics to write about. It was a protest album, which defeats the idea of Morrissey as romantic. The cool-guy cover with Meat Is Murder written on his helmet rams it down your throat. The title track is offensive, not least because of the loud, gated drums and 80s production that you get on Huey Lewis and the News records. Morrissey was obviously suffering from a loss of nerve or lack of faith when he wrote these songs. It took him years to write the first album in his bedroom. By the second album, he started panicking and pointing fingers at teachers at school and thinking up things like, "Oh, meat is murder and, oh, we're going to get attacked by thugs in Rusholme." Barbarism Begins at Home is where the Smiths betray their jazz-funk session-guy roots; it's absolutely treacherous to listen to, even if it was brilliant fun to record. You can just see the rolled-up jacket sleeves. It's everything Morrissey hated. Meat Is Murder is Red Wedge music for sexless students. It's like being stuck in a lift with a Manchester University Socialist Workers' Party convention.
 
Wolve, I haven't seen you in awhile, how are you?
 
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/filmandmusic/story/0,,2102907,00.html

The Smiths Meat Is Murder
Nominated by Jackie McKeown of 1990s

I'm a Smiths fan and I like most of their records, but this is the weakest link in the canon. With the debut and The Queen Is Dead, you could cut up Morrissey's lyrics and they could be pages from the same book. For Meat Is Murder, he seemed to make a list of topics to write about. It was a protest album, which defeats the idea of Morrissey as romantic. The cool-guy cover with Meat Is Murder written on his helmet rams it down your throat. The title track is offensive, not least because of the loud, gated drums and 80s production that you get on Huey Lewis and the News records. Morrissey was obviously suffering from a loss of nerve or lack of faith when he wrote these songs. It took him years to write the first album in his bedroom. By the second album, he started panicking and pointing fingers at teachers at school and thinking up things like, "Oh, meat is murder and, oh, we're going to get attacked by thugs in Rusholme." Barbarism Begins at Home is where the Smiths betray their jazz-funk session-guy roots; it's absolutely treacherous to listen to, even if it was brilliant fun to record. You can just see the rolled-up jacket sleeves. It's everything Morrissey hated. Meat Is Murder is Red Wedge music for sexless students. It's like being stuck in a lift with a Manchester University Socialist Workers' Party convention.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. Meat Is Murder is a fantastic, angst-ridden album, full of superb lyrics and brilliant guitar work. The Headmaster Ritual had been brewing for a year or so before Marr layed the tune down, and it's a belter of an opener.

Peter
 
I'm sorry, but I disagree. Meat Is Murder is a fantastic, angst-ridden album, full of superb lyrics and brilliant guitar work. The Headmaster Ritual had been brewing for a year or so before Marr layed the tune down, and it's a belter of an opener.

Peter

Yep, I also disagree. And Rusholme Ruffians is great too.

Wolve, I haven't seen you in awhile, how are you?

I'm fine, thanks. Who and how are you? :)
 
I have to disagree. Meat is murder is my favourite Smiths album. It has so many of my favourite songs on it, ‘headmaster ritual’, ‘Rusholme Ruffians’, ‘That Joke isn’t funny anymore’, ‘Nowhere Fast’, ‘Well I wonder’, ‘Barbarism Begins at home’.

Fantastic album.
 
Meat is Murder is the LP i play the most from the Smiths, the lay out of the tracks and the production are so much better then the 1st LP. I think it's their master piece, with it being neck & neck with "the queen is dead", but the photo finish for me is Meat is Murder.
 
I have to say that i loved every other Smiths album instnatly but Meat Is Murder took a few listens to "get", it was worth the wait.
 
ofcourse this is rubbish......
the writer clearly doesn't understand it......how can she (?) like the other lp's and not this one. It's an outstanding piece of art.
 
ofcourse this is rubbish......
the writer clearly doesn't understand it......how can she (?) like the other lp's and not this one. It's an outstanding piece of art.

Its a he from a band who aren't terriblly good or bad but there music is quite disposable
 
I have to disagree. Meat is murder is my favourite Smiths album. It has so many of my favourite songs on it, ‘headmaster ritual’, ‘Rusholme Ruffians’, ‘That Joke isn’t funny anymore’, ‘Nowhere Fast’, ‘Well I wonder’, ‘Barbarism Begins at home’.

Fantastic album.
It's my favourite too, for the same reason.
I think it's their master piece,
So do I. I like your new avatar.
I have to say that i loved every other Smiths album instnatly but Meat Is Murder took a few listens to "get", it was worth the wait.
I hear The Queen Is Dead and The Smiths, before Meat Is Murder and it took me some months to like them. But I fell in love with MIM in the first listen.
 
http://arts.guardian.co.uk/filmandmusic/story/0,,2102907,00.html

The Smiths Meat Is Murder
Nominated by Jackie McKeown of 1990s

I'm a Smiths fan and I like most of their records, but this is the weakest link in the canon. With the debut and The Queen Is Dead, you could cut up Morrissey's lyrics and they could be pages from the same book. For Meat Is Murder, he seemed to make a list of topics to write about. It was a protest album, which defeats the idea of Morrissey as romantic. The cool-guy cover with Meat Is Murder written on his helmet rams it down your throat. The title track is offensive, not least because of the loud, gated drums and 80s production that you get on Huey Lewis and the News records. Morrissey was obviously suffering from a loss of nerve or lack of faith when he wrote these songs. It took him years to write the first album in his bedroom. By the second album, he started panicking and pointing fingers at teachers at school and thinking up things like, "Oh, meat is murder and, oh, we're going to get attacked by thugs in Rusholme." Barbarism Begins at Home is where the Smiths betray their jazz-funk session-guy roots; it's absolutely treacherous to listen to, even if it was brilliant fun to record. You can just see the rolled-up jacket sleeves. It's everything Morrissey hated. Meat Is Murder is Red Wedge music for sexless students. It's like being stuck in a lift with a Manchester University Socialist Workers' Party convention.

:eek: one of the best albums of all time.
 
I have to say that i loved every other Smiths album instnatly but Meat Is Murder took a few listens to "get", it was worth the wait.

I loved ‘Meat is Murder,’ ‘The queen is dead’ and ‘The Smiths’ instantly. It was actually ‘Strange ways, here we come’ that took me the longest to get into, and although It has some of my favourite songs on it, it’s probable the album I listen to the least.

Meat is Murder
The Queen is dead
The Smiths
Strange ways, here we come

In that order.
 
I think Jackie McKeown should sit down and really listen to the album again. Songs such as Nowhere Fast, Well I Wonder and That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore are simply brilliant and right up there as some of the best songs The Smiths ever recorded.
 
It makes you wonder why she bothers calling herself a Smiths fan?

If you don't like it, don't f***ing listen to it duck! :mad:

What is the point wasting energy going on about how BAD something is? Why do people do this? Oh - I LOVE the Smiths but I HATE that reccord, so I'll go on on on on and f***ing on about it. Why not just play a reccord you do like and f*** off?

:D
 
It makes you wonder why she bothers calling herself a Smiths fan?

If you don't like it, don't f***ing listen to it duck! :mad:

What is the point wasting energy going on about how BAD something is? Why do people do this? Oh - I LOVE the Smiths but I HATE that reccord, so I'll go on on on on and f***ing on about it. Why not just play a reccord you do like and f*** off?

:D

Well said ;)
 
"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Sorry for the obvious quote.
 
Meat is Murder was my first Smiths record and I abosutely love it. I Want the One I Can't Have is amazing.
 
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