Jesus of Nazareth, known as "J-dogg" by some

[caramel sea salt]

You're right, and I owe you an apology. I was responding to a flurry of posts from the both of you, and I didn't take the time to read carefully. When you said, "Audrey asked if it was OK to want to punch someone," I didn't notice you had changed my question. Originally I had asked if it was okay to actually punch people the same way she actually eats pigs. So I missed your addition of "want to" and assumed you were agreeing with her premise (i.e., it's okay to be violent to people and pigs for their genetics or their animal natures).

I'm sorry for the error and the misattribution. I don't think you're someone who wants to live in a society where people can be free to punch each other based on the subjective punchability of their faces.

I appreciate it, but it’s not the part about punching punchable faces where you misrepresented my position, it’s the pigs. I'd be lying if I said that I never ever eat meat, but I eat meat very rarely, and I never eat anything that comes from a factory farm. That said, I don't have a problem with people who do, and I don’t have a problem with rifke’s take on pigs, but it’s her take and not mine and I don’t want it falsely attributed to me, and a character judgment based on something I didn’t say. But it’s fine, don’t worry about it. The lion milk ice cream story was funny and absurd, and nobody died.

What I was discussing (in the context of being called inconsiderate of people's feelings) is whether the statement "Islam is a religion that bums little boys" is any less insensitive.

Yes, gays absolutely have more rights in Christian countries than in Islamic ones. Christianity is broadly de-clawed nowadays, while Islam is widely in the sway of conservative and radical variants. But if the question is "whether Christianity or Islam is more accepting of homosexuality," then historically that's a closer race than a snapshot of the present. I only mentioned non-gay-executing Muslim countries in response to the broad-brush claim that "Muslims execute gays"—again, in the context of religious sensitivity (if that's a concern).

I have no doubt that some of Allah's representatives on earth bum little boys, and I have no doubt that some of God's representatives on earth bum little boys, and I don't see how that's insensitive to say. The only feelings worth considering in this context are those of the little boys.

I think it’s the here and now that matters, and the fact that Christians haven't always been cuddly bunnies doesn't seem awfully relevant to me. I got that you mentioned "non-gay-executing" Muslim countries in response to the claim that "Muslims execute gays", but I mean... so what? So they won't execute you, they'll just treat you like shit... is that supposed to be something to be thankful for? Being forever reduced to a second class citizen? May I ask, have you been to any Muslim countries? Not even places like Turkey or Indonesia are fine with the gays - they tolerate gay tourists, but there is no such thing as “gay rights” there. 60% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal.

 

[Lucifer Sam]

I think it’s the here and now that matters, and the fact that Christians haven't always been cuddly bunnies doesn't seem awfully relevant to me. I got that you mentioned "non-gay-executing" Muslim countries in response to the claim that "Muslims execute gays", but I mean... so what? So they won't execute you, they'll just treat you like shit... is that supposed to be something to be thankful for? Being forever reduced to a second class citizen? May I ask, have you been to any Muslim countries? Not even places like Turkey or Indonesia are fine with the gays - they tolerate gay tourists, but there is no such thing as “gay rights” there. 60% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal.

No, I’ve never been to a Muslim country. I’ve known a few secular Muslims, but my experience with religious Muslims is limited. I once worked in a bakery where there were a half dozen religious Muslims on the kitchen prep staff. They were all from Morocco. I innocently figured they would be pretty laissez-faire in their Islam, because I knew little of Morocco except as the country where Wm S. Burroughs and André Gide had gone to in order to smoke hashish and “bum little boys.” But these Moroccans were very homophobic. If wanting to throw gays off rooftops is a 10, I’d say they were 8/10. Based on this small sampling, I don’t doubt that the culture in a country like Morocco is hostile to homosexuals even if it doesn’t put them to death.

I agree with you that it’s the here and now that matters. Christianity easily wins on the present score. But in discussions about the benefits of re-establishing “Christian culture,” I do think the past has to be taken into account for what it might bode for the future. Christianity can seem benign because it’s had to equivocate and liberalize in order to compete with secularism in the West—something Islam hasn’t had to do nearly as much. gashonthenail posted a relevant link somewhere about the slight possibility of secularism modifying Islam as it settles in Europe, though obviously only a fool would be optimistic. I don’t think Islam is going to soften, but neither do I think Christianity wouldn’t gird up its loins and reassert its old doctrines once again if given the slightest opportunity.

 

[caramel sea salt]

No, I’ve never been to a Muslim country. I’ve known a few secular Muslims, but my experience with religious Muslims is limited. I once worked in a bakery where there were a half dozen religious Muslims on the kitchen prep staff. They were all from Morocco. I innocently figured they would be pretty laissez-faire in their Islam, because I knew little of Morocco except as the country where Wm S. Burroughs and André Gide had gone to in order to smoke hashish and “bum little boys.” But these Moroccans were very homophobic. If wanting to throw gays off rooftops is a 10, I’d say they were 8/10. Based on this small sampling, I don’t doubt that the culture in a country like Morocco is hostile to homosexuals even if it doesn’t put them to death.

I agree with you that it’s the here and now that matters. Christianity easily wins on the present score. But in discussions about the benefits of re-establishing “Christian culture,” I do think the past has to be taken into account for what it might bode for the future. Christianity can seem benign because it’s had to equivocate and liberalize in order to compete with secularism in the West—something Islam hasn’t had to do nearly as much. gashonthenail posted a relevant link somewhere about the slight possibility of secularism modifying Islam as it settles in Europe, though obviously only a fool would be optimistic. I don’t think Islam is going to soften, but neither do I think Christianity wouldn’t gird up its loins and reassert its old doctrines once again if given the slightest opportunity.

I went to Easter Sunday mass this year, for the first time in a looooooong time. Two reasons: (1) my partner sings in the choir and (2) the more I have “Happy March holiday season!” and “Happy Ramadan!” shoved down my throat, the more compelled I feel to hold on to our Christian traditions (funny how that works!). The dome was half full, and half of the congregation was made up of gay couples - the kind that want to be noticed, the kind that flaunt their gayness. Yes, the gays are embracing Christianity! I don’t know why that is - perhaps we are trying to fill a void and find meaning in our lives because we don’t have children? In any case, I don’t think the Protestant church will push us away, I think they are grateful for anyone who comes to attend their services in their empty churches. But, of course, you never know, and this is all anecdotal.

 

[Born to Harangue]

I don’t know why that is - perhaps we are trying to fill a void and find meaning in our lives because we don’t have children?

@nicky wire's legs attempts to fill this void by regularly insulting Light Housework!

In any case, I don’t think the Protestant church will push us away, I think they are grateful for anyone who comes to attend their services in their empty churches.

@TheSmiths_1985 Is this true that the huns are welcoming the gays into their churches now? A match made in heaven, I’d say!

 

[goinghome]

No, I’ve never been to a Muslim country. I’ve known a few secular Muslims, but my experience with religious Muslims is limited. I once worked in a bakery where there were a half dozen religious Muslims on the kitchen prep staff. They were all from Morocco. I innocently figured they would be pretty laissez-faire in their Islam, because I knew little of Morocco except as the country where Wm S. Burroughs and André Gide had gone to in order to smoke hashish and “bum little boys.” But these Moroccans were very homophobic. If wanting to throw gays off rooftops is a 10, I’d say they were 8/10. Based on this small sampling, I don’t doubt that the culture in a country like Morocco is hostile to homosexuals even if it doesn’t put them to death.

I agree with you that it’s the here and now that matters. Christianity easily wins on the present score. But in discussions about the benefits of re-establishing “Christian culture,” I do think the past has to be taken into account for what it might bode for the future. Christianity can seem benign because it’s had to equivocate and liberalize in order to compete with secularism in the West—something Islam hasn’t had to do nearly as much. gashonthenail posted a relevant link somewhere about the slight possibility of secularism modifying Islam as it settles in Europe, though obviously only a fool would be optimistic. I don’t think Islam is going to soften, but neither do I think Christianity wouldn’t gird up its loins and reassert its old doctrines once again if given the slightest opportunity.

Morocco is embracing Western expansion and colonising the desert.

The following excerpts are from a 'sermon' the journalist Chris Hedges delivered yesterday to the encampment for Gaza at Princeton University.

All institutions, including the church, the theologian Paul Tillich once wrote, are inherently demonic. And a life dedicated to resistance has to accept that a relationship with any institution is often temporary, because sooner or later that institution is going to demand acts of silence or obedience your conscience will not allow you to make....

James Baldwin, the son of a preacher and briefly a preacher himself, said he abandoned the pulpit to preach the Gospel. The Gospel, he knew, was not heard most Sundays in Christian houses of worship...

Jesus, if he lived in contemporary society, would be undocumented. He was not a Roman citizen. He lived without rights, under Roman occupation. Jesus was a person of color. The Romans were white. And the Romans, who peddled their own version of white supremacy, nailed people of color to crosses almost as often as we finish them off with lethal injections, gun them down in the streets, lock them up in cages or slaughter them in Gaza. The Romans killed Jesus as an insurrectionist, a revolutionary. They feared the radicalism of the Christian Gospel. And they were right to fear it. The Roman state saw Jesus the way the American state saw Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. Then, like now, prophets were killed.

The Bible unequivocally condemns the powerful. It is not a self-help manual to become rich. It does not bless America or any other nation. It was written for the powerless, for those James Cone calls the crucified of the earth. It was written to give a voice to, and affirm the dignity of, those being crushed by malignant power and empire. There is nothing easy about faith...

This is a heart-warming interpretation free of cynicism and judgement, if overlooking inconsistencies.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

I'm trying to watch Jordan Peterson talk to Russell brand about christ, but I find Jordan Peterson really boring and long-winded. Plus Russell's vibe seems down and he doesn't look as sexy as normal, so it's a disappointing watch so far!

 

[nicky wire's legs]

It's beautiful that Russell has been baptized! Welcome home, my brother in Christ!

 

[caramel sea salt]

It's beautiful that Russell has been baptized! Welcome home, my brother in Christ!

Talking of punchable faces!!!

 

[Lucifer Sam]

The following excerpts are from a 'sermon' the journalist Chris Hedges delivered yesterday to the encampment for Gaza at Princeton University.

All institutions, including the church, the theologian Paul Tillich once wrote, are inherently demonic. And a life dedicated to resistance has to accept that a relationship with any institution is often temporary, because sooner or later that institution is going to demand acts of silence or obedience your conscience will not allow you to make....

James Baldwin, the son of a preacher and briefly a preacher himself, said he abandoned the pulpit to preach the Gospel. The Gospel, he knew, was not heard most Sundays in Christian houses of worship...

Jesus, if he lived in contemporary society, would be undocumented. He was not a Roman citizen. He lived without rights, under Roman occupation. Jesus was a person of color. The Romans were white. And the Romans, who peddled their own version of white supremacy, nailed people of color to crosses almost as often as we finish them off with lethal injections, gun them down in the streets, lock them up in cages or slaughter them in Gaza. The Romans killed Jesus as an insurrectionist, a revolutionary. They feared the radicalism of the Christian Gospel. And they were right to fear it. The Roman state saw Jesus the way the American state saw Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. Then, like now, prophets were killed.

The Bible unequivocally condemns the powerful. It is not a self-help manual to become rich. It does not bless America or any other nation. It was written for the powerless, for those James Cone calls the crucified of the earth. It was written to give a voice to, and affirm the dignity of, those being crushed by malignant power and empire. There is nothing easy about faith...

This is a heart-warming interpretation free of cynicism and judgement, if overlooking inconsistencies.

If I overlook the inconsistencies, I’d have to overlook almost the whole thing. Chris Hedges sounds like an AI bot programmed for woke parody. He’s forcing modern conceptions of race and racial grievances onto antiquity where they would’ve been meaningless. Jesus would not have been "undocumented." Luke tells us that his parents qualified to be registered in a census (even a fictitious one). "The Romans were white" and "Jesus was a person of color?" The Romans were a Mediterranean people, as were the Jews of the Levant. The Romans conquered and enslaved the Britons, who were "whiter" than they were, if that’s something we should expect them to have cared about.

The only version of supremacy the Romans had was Roman supremacy, no different from what any other tribes thought about themselves. It was Jesus' Jews who had rigid strictures on intermarriage and cultural cross-pollination; the Romans were more pluralistic than most. A person from any ethnic group within the empire could become a Roman citizen. Nietzsche thought this liberal attitude was a cause of their decline: by becoming too far-flung and watering Romanism down, they lost their sense of unity, purpose, and collective identity, and ultimately allowed themselves to be captured by a vulgar foreign religion.

Rome sank to whoredom and became a stew​

The Caesars became beasts, and God—a Jew!​

"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s" would be a curious thing for an insurrectionist to say, and it would be curious for a socialist hero to say, "the poor you will have with you always, for now spend your time and money adoring me." Jesus was fairly apolitical. He didn't even bother to condemn the institution of slavery. His program ultimately came down to whether you believed in him and his miracles. His kingdom was not of this world because he was dreaming of the day when God was going to wipe away the heavens and the earth to establish a new heaven and a new earth. A Roman would’ve seen Jesus as a harmless, delusional cult leader. If Chris Hedges wants radical Jewish insurrectionists and revolutionaries, he could look to some of J.’s 1st c. contemporaries, like the Zealots or Simon Bar Kokhba.

I’m afraid I don’t find Hedges heartwarming, goinghome. I don’t think he’s "free of judgement" either: he seems as convicted of his own interpretation of Jesus as any Evangelical Christian nationalist is of theirs.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

Talking of punchable faces!!!

He's got a beautiful face!! (And sexy chest!!)

 

[On his way out]

I agree with Nietzsche that the best line in the gospels belongs to Pontius Pilate: "what is truth?" There are some Jesus-isms that are close seconds

Close seconds to that postmodernist copout? Pontius is a great model for the modern sneering dilettante who washes their hands, rather than make a committment to any kind of higher cause. Someone who tours the world dabbling in various cultures with an educated indifference, trying on a gothic designer here or an arabic headdress there and thinking it's all such a laugh. F-Dogg was usually above this, fascinated as he was with pushing propserity without a gospel for a sliver of aristocratic supermen (a kind of Barbarossa Da Vinci), at the peak of his ideal social pyramid. Not some some jaded procutorial nihilism like his para 46- very much out of character.

If we use one liners only, surely all these red text lines dsipatch with "What is truth?":

Love your enemies

where your treasure is, there will your heart be also

Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened

let the dead bury their dead.

I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul

the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Take, eat; this is my body.

Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

No prophet is accepted in his own country.

And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other;

The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few:

The Kingdom of God is within you

I send you forth as lambs among wolves.

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth

there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.

what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?

Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Before Abraham was, I am.

I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you,

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

It is more blessed to give than to receive.

My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight

Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.

If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes

Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[Lucifer Sam]

Close seconds to that postmodernist copout? Pontius is a great model for the modern sneering dilettante who washes their hands, rather than make a committment to any kind of higher cause. Someone who tours the world dabbling in various cultures with an educated indifference, trying on a gothic designer here or an arabic headdress there and thinking it's all such a laugh. F-Dogg was usually above this, fascinated as he was with pushing propserity without a gospel for a sliver of aristocratic supermen (a kind of Barbarossa Da Vinci), at the peak of his ideal social pyramid. Not some some jaded procutorial nihilism like his para 46- very much out of character.

Surely the question isn't original to Pilate; it goes back to the pre-Socratics. For all we know Pilate was very much the equestrian-class Roman hipster suggested in Bowie's portrayal—a cultivated poseur with, as you say, "an educated indifference." Maybe he liked to read Seneca or Pyrrho in the evening. Interesting to me, his wife is said to have had a precognitive dream about Jesus.

It's more likely, though, that Pilate never even asked the question himself. After all, if we consider whether this is eyewitness testimony, which of Jesus's disciples would've been allowed to attend a prisoner's audience with the procurator in the first place? A Jesus fan-fiction writer probably put it in there decades later as a line of dialogue for the Pilate character, as a device to get the dramatic silence in response: the "truth" was supposedly standing right in front of him, and there are no so blind as those who will not see, &c.

But we can test the objectivity of that truth by looking at followers of Jesus throughout history and seeing how they variously interpreted all the lines of Jesus which you think are superior to "what is truth?" Apparently the truth is, by turns: malleable, relative, esoteric, paradoxical, self-contradictory, or tautological. Thus Pilate and Nietzsche are vindicated.

 

[Lucifer Sam]

Maybe Russell Brand's baptism is the right note for the Jesus thread to end on.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Surely the question isn't original to Pilate; it goes back to the pre-Socratics. For all we know Pilate was very much the equestrian-class Roman hipster suggested in Bowie's portrayal—a cultivated poseur with, as you say, "an educated indifference."

Maybe he liked to read Seneca or Pyrrho in the evening. Interesting to me, his wife is said to have had a precognitive dream about Jesus.

Sure, and it’s just as plausible that Jesus has only ever been and will continue to be a dream, just a figment of the imagination. But even the myth of Jesus can have its benefits, for both the good and unfortunately also for the evil.

Anyway, the gospels etc are peppered with real people to make it look as if there actually was a historical Jesus.

It's more likely, though, that Pilate never even asked the question himself. After all, if we consider whether this is eyewitness testimony, which of Jesus's disciples would've been allowed to attend a prisoner's audience with the procurator in the first place? A Jesus fan-fiction writer probably put it in there decades later as a line of dialogue for the Pilate character, as a device to get the dramatic silence in response: the "truth" was supposedly standing right in front of him, and there are no so blind as those who will not see, &c.

But we can test the objectivity of that truth by looking at followers of Jesus throughout history and seeing how they variously interpreted all the lines of Jesus which you think are superior to "what is truth?" Apparently the truth is by turns: malleable, relative, esoteric, paradoxical, self-contradictory, or tautological. Thus Pilate and Nietzsche are vindicated.

 

[Barking]

You are funny but somewhat inconsistent. Perhaps you have forgotten that you thought "you see them, you want to behead them" was a hilarious comment made by Barking a few weeks ago, because I don't see how "you see them, you want to punch them"

-Whoa whoa whoa, where did that come from? Why am I getting quoted on a thread about The Big Gee??

As it happens, I believe wanting to guillotine annoying priviledged parental characters in a film is my God-given right as it has nothing to do with religions or lions.
I probably wouldn't do it: they're fictitious,but there's two of them, and I'm on my own, but if I want to behead characters on a whim, I should be able to do so.
I also understand the need to burn the tail of cartoon cat. Occasionally. As yes, not being fully homophobic either, I love Tom and Jerry.


This thread if far too full of complicated words and ideas for me to follow anyway.
All I know is that Jesus was that Mexican guy Morrissey liked, and it was not mutual, and Judas Tobias was jealous and it wasn't pretty and there nails and tacos at one point. Drugs too, I suspect.

 

[Barking]

Edit:
I once could spell "privileged" no problemo. But I saw "priviledged" so many times on this site, I started to believe it was the correct spelling.

It's a lot like that G stuff. If you hear there's an old bearded man frowning at you above your head every day of your life, you end up believing it. It's the repetition. It's like bad spelling, after a lot of exposure your brain stops defending itself.

I'd like to apologize to Baby Jay though. Cos his dad is a patriarchal pain but Jay looks somewhat more laid back.

One thing that puzzles me is how he was so thin, for a Mexican. Especially as one prone to multiply burritos. I mean he could be on the catwalk!

Would peeps like him so much if he was a fatty?

And if he didn't look so much like Russell Brand?
Do people mistake Jay for Russell a lot?

 

[Barking]

I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

I have no idea what Jay meant by that, but "Kicking Against the Pricks" would make a good punk album title. Shame J is a hippie.

Also, for the poll, I vote
Other: Pothead.

( second choice: Edith, cos I haven't met her much either).

It's a shame that J does a half-assed job most of the time (tis da weed). Like, the other day the phone rang and I answered and while doing so found myself in front of a Euromillions booth.
J guided my steps but failed to explain I had to buy a ticket, win 166 million euros and reorganize the World.

So I didn't.
Do I blame the loveable mellow hipster?


A bit.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

Close seconds to that postmodernist copout? Pontius is a great model for the modern sneering dilettante who washes their hands, rather than make a committment to any kind of higher cause. Someone who tours the world dabbling in various cultures with an educated indifference, trying on a gothic designer here or an arabic headdress there and thinking it's all such a laugh. F-Dogg was usually above this, fascinated as he was with pushing propserity without a gospel for a sliver of aristocratic supermen (a kind of Barbarossa Da Vinci), at the peak of his ideal social pyramid. Not some some jaded procutorial nihilism like his para 46- very much out of character.

If we use one liners only, surely all these red text lines dsipatch with "What is truth?":

Love your enemies

where your treasure is, there will your heart be also

Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Judge not, that ye be not judged.

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened

let the dead bury their dead.

I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul

the very hairs of your head are all numbered.

Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

Take, eat; this is my body.

Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

No prophet is accepted in his own country.

And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other;

The harvest truly is great, but the labourers are few:

The Kingdom of God is within you

I send you forth as lambs among wolves.

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth

there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found.

what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?

Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.

Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Before Abraham was, I am.

I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you,

I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

c

It is more blessed to give than to receive.

My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness.

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight

Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.

If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes

Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

They that are whole need not a physician; but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

so many good lines! thanks for this!!

i also like: Many sins are forgiven her, because she hath loved much. thats just proof of Jesus' amorality. he knows that love, which is not moral, trumps morality.

i always liked Let the bury the dead, but what does it mean exactly??

and what does this mean?
I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
i was surprised to see it because as far as i knew 'kicking against the pricks' was just a title of a nick cave album, and i assumed 'pricks' was meant in the modern parlance, which i must assume is not how jesus meant it (not surprising to see nick cave referencing the bible though)

 

[nicky wire's legs]

Maybe Russell Brand's baptism is the right note for the Jesus thread to end on.

"how can it ever end?"

--russell brand (in conversation with jordan peterson)

 

[nicky wire's legs]

i think audrey is jealous of R dogg because he has a luscious head of hair and manly chest and gets all the girls! (i may have said this before, i cant remember)