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Why do people still love Morrissey so, even though he blatantly picks his target audience, just to gain a fanbase & attempt to make more cash?

Is 83 he targetted the lonely, disaffected youth of the UK, specifically the North of England. He made quotes about not liking London, and his heart being forever in the North. He abhored violence, rampaging against anything not aesthetic, and was obsessed with gentleness & love.

Then comes his love of London & the South. His love of organised crime & boxing.

Then he moves to America, and he loves everything American, & rails against England.

Now it is time for him to fall in love with Mexico, and insult Texas.

Who will his next target audience be?

"It seems if you’re rich and you’re white, you think you’re so right
I just don’t see why this should be so...."

Well YOU are 'rich & 'white', Morrissey! You tell us why is is so! You tell us about your, oh so hard, life in the Hollywood hills. Yes, it's so lovely to be able to climb into your Mercedes and drive around the poor areas, isn't it? Just as long as you have enough gas to be able to drive back to your luxury.

Morrissey is a product of his own invention. He creates a persona to attract people of certain groups to himself. He'll defend to the death that he is honest, and 'lives it 100%', but don't you believe it, he's laughing at you. You really think that Morrissey was celibate during the Smiths? Yes? More fool you. You think he didn't enjoy, & revel in the 'trappings of fame'? Think again.

He is good at what he does, and people believe that he is genuine. He's not. He's as false as my grannys teeth.
 
> Why do people still love Morrissey so, even though he blatantly picks his
> target audience, just to gain a fanbase & attempt to make more cash?

> Is 83 he targetted the lonely, disaffected youth of the UK, specifically
> the North of England. He made quotes about not liking London, and his
> heart being forever in the North. He abhored violence, rampaging against
> anything not aesthetic, and was obsessed with gentleness & love.

> Then comes his love of London & the South. His love of organised crime
> & boxing.

> Then he moves to America, and he loves everything American, & rails
> against England.

> Now it is time for him to fall in love with Mexico, and insult Texas.

> Who will his next target audience be?

> "It seems if you’re rich and you’re white, you think you’re so right
> I just don’t see why this should be so...."

> Well YOU are 'rich & 'white', Morrissey! You tell us why is is so! You
> tell us about your, oh so hard, life in the Hollywood hills. Yes, it's so
> lovely to be able to climb into your Mercedes and drive around the poor
> areas, isn't it? Just as long as you have enough gas to be able to drive
> back to your luxury.

> Morrissey is a product of his own invention. He creates a persona to
> attract people of certain groups to himself. He'll defend to the death
> that he is honest, and 'lives it 100%', but don't you believe it, he's
> laughing at you. You really think that Morrissey was celibate during the
> Smiths? Yes? More fool you. You think he didn't enjoy, & revel in the
> 'trappings of fame'? Think again.

> He is good at what he does, and people believe that he is genuine. He's
> not. He's as false as my grannys teeth.

You may be right, but isn't that what all rock and roll is about? Bands/musicians start out poor and sing about world injustices, become famous and then they become exactly who they were originally angry towards. That is why rock and roll is so fallible and yet people base their whole lives on it. That's why it shouldn't be taken it too seriously, enjoy it just for the entertainment value because music artists just aren't perfect!
 
> You may be right, but isn't that what all rock and roll is about?
> Bands/musicians start out poor and sing about world injustices, become
> famous and then they become exactly who they were originally angry
> towards. That is why rock and roll is so fallible and yet people base
> their whole lives on it. That's why it shouldn't be taken it too
> seriously, enjoy it just for the entertainment value because music artists
> just aren't perfect!

Not according to Morrissey! He 'sings from the heart', and sings 'from experience'. That was why we loved him. What is he singing about now? Certainly not experience, other than his continued bitter tirades against the British establishment of course. The only person Morrissey cares about is Morrissey.

Moz has been in a stable relationship for a number of years, yet he still bleats; "no one ever turns to me to say take me in your arms and love me" What's he talking about? It's supposed to be an autobiographical song.

Sadly, Morrissey now sounds like someone doing a Morrissey impersonation. He's been reading his old press, and now his songs *are* depressing and miserable (which the very rarely were). Please Morrissey, get some HAPPINESS & HUMOUR in there somewhere!! It's all chemical waste, theives, and bullets in the neck!

I just don't understand him anymore. He means nothing now.
 
Pathetic As Anyone Else

Whatever his hypocrisies may be, he is still a human being. Normal human beings go through phases and fads. Just as you try on new clothes, you try out different viewpoints, lifestyles, et al. You progress or stagnate, searching until you find a comfortable point. You aren't the same person you were fifteen years ago, right?

Name one established musician/entertainer who does NOT target a particular audience. You have to target SOMEONE or else you're performing artistic masturbation.

And you can be sure that, if Morrissey is indeed laughing at us, there are far less talented schleps on a stage somewhere disingenously shouting "you people f--king ROCK" to an ardently apathetic audience, making even more money, and laughing TWICE as hard.

Cheers,

Jamie

> You may be right, but isn't that what all rock and roll is about?
> Bands/musicians start out poor and sing about world injustices, become
> famous and then they become exactly who they were originally angry
> towards. That is why rock and roll is so fallible and yet people base
> their whole lives on it. That's why it shouldn't be taken it too
> seriously, enjoy it just for the entertainment value because music artists
> just aren't perfect!
 
> Not according to Morrissey! He 'sings from the heart', and sings 'from
> experience'. That was why we loved him. What is he singing about now?
> Certainly not experience, other than his continued bitter tirades against
> the British establishment of course. The only person Morrissey cares about
> is Morrissey.

Right, that's so RARE in the entertainment world.

> Moz has been in a stable relationship for a number of years, yet he still
> bleats; "no one ever turns to me to say take me in your arms and love
> me" What's he talking about? It's supposed to be an autobiographical
> song.

Who cares, he could be singing about anyone or anything. If you want his autobiography, go buy it and READ it.

> Sadly, Morrissey now sounds like someone doing a Morrissey impersonation.
> He's been reading his old press, and now his songs *are* depressing and
> miserable (which the very rarely were). Please Morrissey, get some
> HAPPINESS & HUMOUR in there somewhere!! It's all chemical waste,
> theives, and bullets in the neck!

> I just don't understand him anymore. He means nothing now.

Well, maybe you've grown up and teen/British angst isn't your thing anymore. Good. Funny, but when the Cure got "happier", I wasn't as interested anymore.
 
> Right, that's so RARE in the entertainment world.

Without the sarcasm, I agree with you! It *is* rare. That's why Morrissey proved so popular. Now it seems that we were taken for a ride.

> Who cares, he could be singing about anyone or anything. If you want his
> autobiography, go buy it and READ it.

No, he's singing about himself. Have you read the lyrics?

What was it that Jo Slee said? You can learn everything about Morrissey from his lyrics, wasn't it? Well, something similar anyway.

> Well, maybe you've grown up and teen/British angst isn't your thing
> anymore. Good. Funny, but when the Cure got "happier", I wasn't
> as interested anymore.

The Cure were always shit. It was a different case with Morrissey.
 
> Without the sarcasm, I agree with you! It *is* rare. That's why Morrissey
> proved so popular. Now it seems that we were taken for a ride.

> No, he's singing about himself. Have you read the lyrics?

> What was it that Jo Slee said? You can learn everything about Morrissey
> from his lyrics, wasn't it? Well, something similar anyway.

> The Cure were always shit. It was a different case with Morrissey.

Well it seems as if you insist on taking Morrissey and his music so personally and seriously, so I can't argue with that. You have very unrealistic expectations towards rock artists. Morrissey is just out to make money like anyone else so if you discount him on that then you should give up on all popular artists. Talk about pathetic, is you in some fantasy world that Morrissey exists only to go out on stage and tell you his life story through his music so that you can believe you are "connected' to him somehow. And it's ironic that you despise him for his self-centeredness when your posting name is....ME.
 
oh please!

What a load of rubbish. People change over time, they develop different opinions and interests - we all do, and Moz is no exception, he is after all a PERSON just like the rest of us. He has been famous, and therefore his every word scrutinised, for twenty years. Of course there will be changes, inconsistencies, even hypocrisy, but that is perfectly natural for a human being, and let's not forget that Morrissey is as human as you or I.
He has never 'targeted' anyone to make more money, that is absurd. He sings from the heart, about things that he's feeling, thinking about, and interested in at the moment. Over twenty years those things will change! So what if he had a go at London, he was young, didn't have much experience of the world, and once he'd actually lived there for a while and gotten to know the place he grew to like it. So what? I know many Northerners who have done the same. Same goes for his feelings for America. When he criticised it, he had never really spent much time there, and as he got to know it better he changed his mind. And now he lives in LA, hardly surprising that he is intrigued by the dynamics of the whole Mexican/American relationship. It's something that is new to him, and he finds it interesting, so it turns up in his lyrics. Big deal. It doesn't mean he is 'targeting' Mexicans. And in this case the interest is reciprocated, as many Mexicans and Latinos have embraced him, which probably came as a surprise to him. I'm sure he's pleased and flattered that he can appeal to so many different types of people, from so many different backgrounds, that is quite an accomplishment, and he's always said he wanted to create songs that speak to everyone.
To say that he is 'faking' it to target certain audiences is ridiculous. He's not in this for the money, if he was he would 'play the game' (as everyone here keeps telling him to), and if he did he would undoubtedly be far more successful and wealthy than he is. He's chosen to do it his way, which is one of the things we love him for, but I'm sure he's aware that he could have so much more if he chose to play by the industry's rules. There are very few people in the music business these days who have as much integrity or are as sincere as he is.
 
More proof that the world is indeed full of crashing bores!
 
Re: oh please!

> and let's not forget that Morrissey is as human as you or I.

No way! He's a nasty piece of work. That's why he can't keep friends or staff.

> He has never 'targeted' anyone to make more money, that is absurd.

Ok, you obviously know him better than me, and I bow to your knowledge. You're talking bollocks, by the way.

> So what if he had a go at London, he was young, didn't have much
> experience of the world,

Apart from his regular trips to London & the USA, you mean?

>It doesn't mean he is 'targeting' Mexicans.

Of course not! Just look at where he chooses to drive, and the subjects of his newer songs.

> he's always said he wanted to create songs that speak to everyone.

Yes, but they don't, do they? They speak to certain groups of people at certain times. If he was speaking to everyone, why has his fanbase diminished so greatly? He's not speaking to as many perople as he used to.

> To say that he is 'faking' it to target certain audiences is ridiculous.

Is it? I'll leave you in your blissful ignorance with that one.

> He's not in this for the money,

Hahaha.

> if he was he would 'play the game' (as
> everyone here keeps telling him to), and if he did he would undoubtedly be
> far more successful and wealthy than he is. He's chosen to do it his way,
> which is one of the things we love him for, but I'm sure he's aware that
> he could have so much more if he chose to play by the industry's rules.

He's playing the game as good as the next man! Why do you think he has no deal? He's looking for too much money!!!!

> There are very few people in the music business these days who have as
> much integrity or are as sincere as he is.

Yes, and I'm sure that you'll marry him one of these days, and live happily ever after. Wake up & smell the avocados!
 
A Northerner in London

OK. I can't be arsed with a long post coz I'm SO tired, but I have to speak up here. I'm also from the North West, and as I child I DESPISED London with a passion. To me it symbolised Southern arrogance, and their pride in their shallow spoiled little lives. Add to that the smog, noise, pace etc. And I visited it a couple of times as I child and saw it for myself, a la Moz.

I have now lived here for 15 months, about a mile and a half from Moz's old gaff. I LOVE it. It is full of energy, it lives and breathes, it stays awake all night, and it's full of individuals. Home of the brash, outrageous and free! It's called GROWING UP, seeing things from a different perspective. And someone said about Moz slagging off Britain - oh really? I've not observed this. He may have the odd pop at judges and the establishment, but I think you'll find that's a British pasttime! Don't assume he's as bigoted against Brits as you are.

GD
 
Re: Novel on Yellow paper?

Hey, Girl Drowning in North London.

You're typing on yellow paper?

or have I got my references all wrong?

> OK. I can't be arsed with a long post coz I'm SO tired, but I have to
> speak up here. I'm also from the North West, and as I child I DESPISED
> London with a passion. To me it symbolised Southern arrogance, and their
> pride in their shallow spoiled little lives. Add to that the smog, noise,
> pace etc. And I visited it a couple of times as I child and saw it for
> myself, a la Moz.

> I have now lived here for 15 months, about a mile and a half from Moz's
> old gaff. I LOVE it. It is full of energy, it lives and breathes, it stays
> awake all night, and it's full of individuals. Home of the brash,
> outrageous and free! It's called GROWING UP, seeing things from a
> different perspective. And someone said about Moz slagging off Britain -
> oh really? I've not observed this. He may have the odd pop at judges and
> the establishment, but I think you'll find that's a British pasttime!
> Don't assume he's as bigoted against Brits as you are.

> GD
 
>>>>>He is good at what he does, and people believe that he is genuine. He's
not. He's as false as my grannys teeth.
 
Re: A Northerner in London

> I have now lived here for 15 months, about a mile and a half from Moz's
> old gaff. I LOVE it. It is full of energy, it lives and breathes, it stays
> awake all night, and it's full of individuals. Home of the brash,
> outrageous and free! It's called GROWING UP, seeing things from a
> different perspective.

Moz wasn't a CHILD when he said that he hated London. He had stayed in London MANY times before he expressed his dislike.
 
Re: More proof that the world is indeed full of crashing bores!

Oh Christ! I suppose *someone* had to use that song title at some point.

Pathetic, truly pathetic.
 
> not. He's as false as my grannys teeth. So what? I certainly know he's
> full of it. But, he's been quoted as saying that, "You shouldn't take
> the Smiths too seriosly," or something of the sort. I used be all
> caught up in his contradictions, but then I realized it's all for
> entertainment and I would probably disagree with him on all the issues
> anyway, so I say heck, appreciated him (or the Smiths music) for what it's
> worth and take the "message" with a grain of salt.

It would be nice if life was that simple. Personally I agree with you, but unfortunately for most, getting wrapped up in over-analyzing everything seems to be a way of life, particularly within Morrissey's fanbase.
 
Re: More proof that the world is indeed full of crashing bores!

> Pathetic, truly pathetic.

What song is that from?
 
Re: A Northerner in London

You really are a pedantic prick aren't you? I wasn't a CHILD either, I hated it SINCE I was a child, up until the age of 24 ACTUALLY. And as I said, I had stayed a few times too. You don't understand the way Northerners feel about the South and particularly London so take it from one who knows and shut the f*** up. Sheesh!

GD

> Moz wasn't a CHILD when he said that he hated London. He had stayed in
> London MANY times before he expressed his dislike.
 
Re: A Northerner in London

> You really are a pedantic prick aren't you? I wasn't a CHILD either, I
> hated it SINCE I was a child, up until the age of 24 ACTUALLY. And as I
> said, I had stayed a few times too. You don't understand the way
> Northerners feel about the South and particularly London so take it from
> one who knows and shut the f*** up. Sheesh!

Just out of interest, which part of "the North" did you leave?

TMF
 
Re: A Northerner in London

Cheshire.

> Just out of interest, which part of "the North" did you leave?

> TMF
 
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