Conservatives & Morrissey Fans

Get a clue, I was the first to point out it was photoshoped I found it on the net...

My celeb photos are obviously not photoshoped, why do you love to bate people, argh...

anyway... you got a high rez version?

Kumo

i don't love to bait people, but you didn't say anything until after kewpie replied. besides, i missed your response to kewpie when i first replied. i sitll think you should take it down, to keep it from spreading.

i don't have a high res verision of the shirt. i googled "morrissey jon stewart".
 
i don't love to bait people, but you didn't say anything until after kewpie replied. besides, i missed your response to kewpie when i first replied. i sitll think you should take it down, to keep it from spreading.

i don't have a high res verision of the shirt. i googled "morrissey jon stewart".

If you understand the uyoku they will love it... Nor would they care if it's photoshoped...

Kumo
 
I think I look more like a rentboy in the attached photo with Adam Ant. My heart is all tory.

Kumo

We're all waiting for the photo of you and Pee Wee Herman in the back of the cinema.
 
The kind people
Have a wonderful dream
Kumo on the guillotine
Cause people like you
Make me feel so tired
When will you die ?
When will you die ?
When will you die ?
When will you die ?
When will you die ?

And people like you
Make me feel so old inside
Please die

And kind people
Do not shelter this dream
Make it real
Make the dream real
Make the dream real
Make it real
Make the dream real
Make it real
 
Kumo wrote: “goinghome = chotto baka sayoku (and later obaka”)

I looked up the Japanese meanings which are not very salutary -

CHOTTO
a short time, a little. When used on its own it means "Just a minute!" in the sense of "Stop it!" or "Hold it right there!".

BAKA
Idiot. If you want to insult someone you will most likely use this word. Although in Occidental eyes, the translation as "Idiot" may seem rather lame compared to English equivalents such as "asshole", in Japan where personal intelligence is highly valued calling someone an "idiot" is a serious insult. Use Baka wisely.

SAYOKU
In Japan, the first thing that comes to mind when you hear "uyoku"=right-wing is the extreme edge of the nationalists that shades into the Yakuza underground. I believe it is a widely-held belief that the relative silence over the arson and attempted suicide by a known right-wing activist at the dovish Lower House member Koichi Kato's mother’s home is but the latest example of the success with which the "uyoku" has been able to cower the media and politicians by its demonstrated willingness to use various forms of violence, including murder, against their detractors. Thus, the epithet "uyoku" is used on other politicians and other public figures only in a pejorative sense. I doubt that even real "uyoku" use it for themselves, instead using "aikoku"=patriotism instead.

"Sayoku"=left-wing has not fared much better, although its fate is that of neglect. Orginally encompassing communists and socialists, represented respectively by its own left-wing party, it spawned the term "shin-sayoku"=New Left (now where else have we heard that?) during the late sixties and early seventies. The fatal blow to the “shin-sayoku” came with the self-destructive purges of the United Red Army that culminated in a police shootout in the Asama Sanso Incident. The original "sayoku" also fell into disrepute as the their flagship Socialist Party lost relevance as the focus of opposition to the self-perpetuating LDP near-monopoly on power. The Communist Party still maintains a certain level of political presence, but it lost its hold on the imagination of the chattering classes long before the Cold War ended, and continues to be ignored by the mainstream media. Thus, nobody bothers to call them "sayoku" anymore.

OBAKA
i.e. a great, big Baka. Someone who does something very silly or stupid.


It can be the mark of a charlatan to lash out when not met with immediate agreement and when their ego is not getting the overload of attention they need. However rather than being unusual this kind of reaction is becoming more acceptable. Like what happened after Bill Clinton brazened out his impeachment hearing, moral compromise seems to be a reasonable price to pay if the result is that the show goes on, that there is entertainment, and actors with whom to identify. It bemuses me how this thread has earned credit stars when in fact too little of the discussion has bothered with the topic itself. Instead has it not been more of a showcase to indulge the flights of fancy of the progenitor?

Finally, a reminder about the criteria that used to be required around here:

What is a Good Comment? A Bad Comment?

• Good Comments are insightful. You read them and are better off having read them. They add new information to a discussion. They are clear, hopefully well written, or maybe amusing. These are the gems we're looking for, and they deserve to be promoted.

• Average Comments might be slightly offtopic, but still might be worth reading. They might be redundant. They might be a 'Me Too' article. They might say something painfully obvious. They don't detract from the discussion, but they don't necessarily significantly add to it. They are the comments that require the most attention from the moderators, and they also represent the bulk of the comments. (Score: 0-1)

• Bad Comments are flamebait. Bad comments have nothing to do with the article they are attached to. They call someone names. They ridicule someone for having a different opinion without backing it up with anything more tangible than strong words. Bad comments are repeats of something said 15 times already making it quite apparent that the writer didn't read the previous comments. They use foul language. They are hard to read or just don't make any sense. They detract from the article they are attached to.
 
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Kumo wrote: “goinghome = chotto baka sayoku (and later obaka”)

I looked up the Japanese meanings which are not very salutary -

CHOTTO
a short time, a little. When used on its own it means "Just a minute!" in the sense of "Stop it!" or "Hold it right there!".

BAKA
Idiot. If you want to insult someone you will most likely use this word. Although in Occidental eyes, the translation as "Idiot" may seem rather lame compared to English equivalents such as "asshole", in Japan where personal intelligence is highly valued calling someone an "idiot" is a serious insult. Use Baka wisely.

SAYOKU
In Japan, the first thing that comes to mind when you hear "uyoku"=right-wing is the extreme edge of the nationalists that shades into the Yakuza underground. I believe it is a widely-held belief that the relative silence over the arson and attempted suicide by a known right-wing activist at the dovish Lower House member Koichi Kato's mother’s home is but the latest example of the success with which the "uyoku" has been able to cower the media and politicians by its demonstrated willingness to use various forms of violence, including murder, against their detractors. Thus, the epithet "uyoku" is used on other politicians and other public figures only in a pejorative sense. I doubt that even real "uyoku" use it for themselves, instead using "aikoku"=patriotism instead.

"Sayoku"=left-wing has not fared much better, although its fate is that of neglect. Orginally encompassing communists and socialists, represented respectively by its own left-wing party, it spawned the term "shin-sayoku"=New Left (now where else have we heard that?) during the late sixties and early seventies. The fatal blow to the “shin-sayoku” came with the self-destructive purges of the United Red Army that culminated in a police shootout in the Asama Sanso Incident. The original "sayoku" also fell into disrepute as the their flagship Socialist Party lost relevance as the focus of opposition to the self-perpetuating LDP near-monopoly on power. The Communist Party still maintains a certain level of political presence, but it lost its hold on the imagination of the chattering classes long before the Cold War ended, and continues to be ignored by the mainstream media. Thus, nobody bothers to call them "sayoku" anymore.

OBAKA
i.e. a great, big Baka. Someone who does something very silly or stupid.


It can be the mark of a charlatan to lash out when not met with immediate agreement and when their ego is not getting the overload of attention they need. However rather than being unusual this kind of reaction is becoming more acceptable. Like what happened after Bill Clinton brazened out his impeachment hearing, moral compromise seems to be a reasonable price to pay if the result is that the show goes on, that there is entertainment, and actors with whom to identify. It bemuses me how this thread has earned credit stars when in fact too little of the discussion has bothered with the topic itself. Instead has it not been more of a showcase to indulge the flights of fancy of the progenitor?

Finally, a reminder about the criteria that used to be required around here:

What is a Good Comment? A Bad Comment?

• Good Comments are insightful. You read them and are better off having read them. They add new information to a discussion. They are clear, hopefully well written, or maybe amusing. These are the gems we're looking for, and they deserve to be promoted.

• Average Comments might be slightly offtopic, but still might be worth reading. They might be redundant. They might be a 'Me Too' article. They might say something painfully obvious. They don't detract from the discussion, but they don't necessarily significantly add to it. They are the comments that require the most attention from the moderators, and they also represent the bulk of the comments. (Score: 0-1)

• Bad Comments are flamebait. Bad comments have nothing to do with the article they are attached to. They call someone names. They ridicule someone for having a different opinion without backing it up with anything more tangible than strong words. Bad comments are repeats of something said 15 times already making it quite apparent that the writer didn't read the previous comments. They use foul language. They are hard to read or just don't make any sense. They detract from the article they are attached to.


lizzen loikes i nose wot your seyinz but i fought th pw comment was funi
 
I read this book about 2 years ago. It's really apolitical, it gets to the core roots of the massive poverty in the 3rd world. Very interesting stuff. I recomend it to anyone who feels globalism is abusing the 3rd world.

Mick Cable

I would be interested to read what this book says, while at the same time curious about who might have funded the research!

I would guess that it deals with macroeconomics, a branch of economics that examines the performance, structure, and behavior of the economy as a whole, looking at aggregate trends like national income, unemployment, inflation, investment, and international trade. It is the study of the big picture, the long-term probabilities of a society’s fiscal activity en masse. Especially, it seeks to capture the status quo, how things tend to be. That’s useful at an administrative level but it makes absolutely no difference in the medium to long term to millions of people’s lives. If anything it detracts from their already limited control because they are usually the ones whose labour will produce the growth in wealth to be harvested by more privileged others. It does not say anything about the right decisions to make with this information. For example the little 6-year-old girl in Somalia walking miles to bring home water and finding there’s no dinner that night because her father was sick/could get no work/died of AIDS. ‘What’s to be done with her?’ Her only chance is a local, not a global intervention, such as the human-scale, decentralised and appropriate or intermediate technologies that Schumacher’s development model advocated. Happily, there are rich people who strive to be ethical and altruistic but their positive influence is in danger of being random.

“It seems if you're rich
And you're white
You think you’re so right
I just don't see why this should be so”.

Maybe it will be through the rule of law, especially human rights legislation that the question of an entitlement to a minimum level of economic protection to survive with dignity and some choice will begin to become reality. The urgency about the environment for rich and poor alike may also bring into focus the common challenges before us, and a more compassionate perspective so that some sectors would not be so inclined to clinically cull, under patriotic or other guises, those lives that are considered dispensible as a means to achieving their ends.

If the US President George Bush had taken a moment to cogitate on these notions, he might not have been quoted in the press as having said a few days ago:

“A year ago my approval rating was in the 30s, my nominee for the Supreme Court had just withdrawn and my vice-president had shot someone. Ah, those were the good ol’ days” – G. Bush

(I liked Bluebirds' Tebbit joke too! : ) )
 
I would be interested to read what this book says, while at the same time curious about who might have funded the research!

I would guess that it deals with macroeconomics, a branch of economics that examines the performance, structure, and behavior of the economy as a whole, looking at aggregate trends like national income, unemployment, inflation, investment, and international trade. It is the study of the big picture, the long-term probabilities of a society’s fiscal activity en masse. Especially, it seeks to capture the status quo, how things tend to be. That’s useful at an administrative level but it makes absolutely no difference in the medium to long term to millions of people’s lives. If anything it detracts from their already limited control because they are usually the ones whose labour will produce the growth in wealth to be harvested by more privileged others. It does not say anything about the right decisions to make with this information. For example the little 6-year-old girl in Somalia walking miles to bring home water and finding there’s no dinner that night because her father was sick/could get no work/died of AIDS. ‘What’s to be done with her?’ Her only chance is a local, not a global intervention, such as the human-scale, decentralised and appropriate or intermediate technologies that Schumacher’s development model advocated. Happily, there are rich people who strive to be ethical and altruistic but their positive influence is in danger of being random.

“It seems if you're rich
And you're white
You think you’re so right
I just don't see why this should be so”.

Maybe it will be through the rule of law, especially human rights legislation that the question of an entitlement to a minimum level of economic protection to survive with dignity and some choice will begin to become reality. The urgency about the environment for rich and poor alike may also bring into focus the common challenges before us, and a more compassionate perspective so that some sectors would not be so inclined to clinically cull, under patriotic or other guises, those lives that are considered dispensible as a means to achieving their ends.

If the US President George Bush had taken a moment to cogitate on these notions, he might not have been quoted in the press as having said a few days ago:

“A year ago my approval rating was in the 30s, my nominee for the Supreme Court had just withdrawn and my vice-president had shot someone. Ah, those were the good ol’ days” – G. Bush

(I liked Bluebirds' Tebbit joke too! : ) )

You guess couldn't be more off base. why not read it and find out for yourself.

Kumo
 
Kumo wrote: “goinghome = chotto baka sayoku (and later obaka”)

I looked up the Japanese meanings which are not very salutary -

CHOTTO
a short time, a little. When used on its own it means "Just a minute!" in the sense of "Stop it!" or "Hold it right there!".

BAKA
Idiot. If you want to insult someone you will most likely use this word. Although in Occidental eyes, the translation as "Idiot" may seem rather lame compared to English equivalents such as "asshole", in Japan where personal intelligence is highly valued calling someone an "idiot" is a serious insult. Use Baka wisely.

SAYOKU
In Japan, the first thing that comes to mind when you hear "uyoku"=right-wing is the extreme edge of the nationalists that shades into the Yakuza underground. I believe it is a widely-held belief that the relative silence over the arson and attempted suicide by a known right-wing activist at the dovish Lower House member Koichi Kato's mother’s home is but the latest example of the success with which the "uyoku" has been able to cower the media and politicians by its demonstrated willingness to use various forms of violence, including murder, against their detractors. Thus, the epithet "uyoku" is used on other politicians and other public figures only in a pejorative sense. I doubt that even real "uyoku" use it for themselves, instead using "aikoku"=patriotism instead.

"Sayoku"=left-wing has not fared much better, although its fate is that of neglect. Orginally encompassing communists and socialists, represented respectively by its own left-wing party, it spawned the term "shin-sayoku"=New Left (now where else have we heard that?) during the late sixties and early seventies. The fatal blow to the “shin-sayoku” came with the self-destructive purges of the United Red Army that culminated in a police shootout in the Asama Sanso Incident. The original "sayoku" also fell into disrepute as the their flagship Socialist Party lost relevance as the focus of opposition to the self-perpetuating LDP near-monopoly on power. The Communist Party still maintains a certain level of political presence, but it lost its hold on the imagination of the chattering classes long before the Cold War ended, and continues to be ignored by the mainstream media. Thus, nobody bothers to call them "sayoku" anymore.

OBAKA
i.e. a great, big Baka. Someone who does something very silly or stupid.


It can be the mark of a charlatan to lash out when not met with immediate agreement and when their ego is not getting the overload of attention they need. However rather than being unusual this kind of reaction is becoming more acceptable. Like what happened after Bill Clinton brazened out his impeachment hearing, moral compromise seems to be a reasonable price to pay if the result is that the show goes on, that there is entertainment, and actors with whom to identify. It bemuses me how this thread has earned credit stars when in fact too little of the discussion has bothered with the topic itself. Instead has it not been more of a showcase to indulge the flights of fancy of the progenitor?

Finally, a reminder about the criteria that used to be required around here:

What is a Good Comment? A Bad Comment?

• Good Comments are insightful. You read them and are better off having read them. They add new information to a discussion. They are clear, hopefully well written, or maybe amusing. These are the gems we're looking for, and they deserve to be promoted.

• Average Comments might be slightly offtopic, but still might be worth reading. They might be redundant. They might be a 'Me Too' article. They might say something painfully obvious. They don't detract from the discussion, but they don't necessarily significantly add to it. They are the comments that require the most attention from the moderators, and they also represent the bulk of the comments. (Score: 0-1)

• Bad Comments are flamebait. Bad comments have nothing to do with the article they are attached to. They call someone names. They ridicule someone for having a different opinion without backing it up with anything more tangible than strong words. Bad comments are repeats of something said 15 times already making it quite apparent that the writer didn't read the previous comments. They use foul language. They are hard to read or just don't make any sense. They detract from the article they are attached to.

*yawn*....
Just what this forum needs, another bore.
 
You guess couldn't be more off base. why not read it and find out for yourself.

Kumo

I have chosen to labour a few points here for the sake of balance, to show that there are equally eminent figures out there using very different paradigms to analyse similar problems and implement solutions. I believe that Morrissey’s politics of life before death would lead to much more love, peace and harmony in the world. I can only imagine though how often he himself thinks, ‘my only mistake is I keep hoping,’ because not enough people are prepared to have a change of heart. Still, as he said at the end of the German interview in ‘Rolling Stone’, April, 2006, “the world is insane, let’s enjoy ourselves”.
 
Woohoo, Free trade with South Korea/USA is on it's way the agreement was completed today. If you live in the US or South Korea, please urge your elected officials to pass it!

WTG WTO!

Kumo
 
I've been a Morrissey fan for 20 years. If I am not listening to Morrissey on my iPod, then I am listening to Michael Savage's (The Savage Nation) radio program....
 
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