Based on The Last White Fans Comments

[jimmy]

The thread was so long and didnt think you'd be able to read this comment.

You are in fact dead on and i couldnt agree with you more. I am from LA also and was in the late 80's to early 90's in love with Morrissey and That Smiths. I skipped out on the whole following him idea and decided for the hell of it to catch the last show to get a feel for the past. First off i hate the Hollywood Paladium, but second i had that complete uncomfortable feeling you were describing. Shit i am from LA... i grew up with every race and had loads of all types of friends but the scene there was dirty as f***.To top it off there were 2 dicks beating the crap out of a guy behind me while Morrissey was playing. Come to find out too that one of the guys got stabbed after the show. There was nothing romantic about all of it and i felt so extremely sad that Morrissey had become trash. No Mexicans are not trash, so stop right there, but the crowd of mexican fans of Morrissey (by large) are pretty dirty. Hard looks ata Morrissey show? Where did the mods and twerpy record collectors go? Things change yes - but the funniest thing is is that the words from Morrisseys mouth and the view of the fans does not fit.

Funny.

 

[Fox in the Snow]

> The thread was so long and didnt think you'd be able to read this comment.

> You are in fact dead on and i couldnt agree with you more. I am from LA
> also and was in the late 80's to early 90's in love with Morrissey and
> That Smiths. I skipped out on the whole following him idea and decided for
> the hell of it to catch the last show to get a feel for the past. First
> off i hate the Hollywood Paladium, but second i had that complete
> uncomfortable feeling you were describing. Shit i am from LA... i grew up
> with every race and had loads of all types of friends but the scene there
> was dirty as f***.To top it off there were 2 dicks beating the crap out of
> a guy behind me while Morrissey was playing. Come to find out too that one
> of the guys got stabbed after the show. There was nothing romantic about
> all of it and i felt so extremely sad that Morrissey had become trash. No
> Mexicans are not trash, so stop right there, but the crowd of mexican fans
> of Morrissey (by large) are pretty dirty. Hard looks ata Morrissey show?
> Where did the mods and twerpy record collectors go? Things change yes -
> but the funniest thing is is that the words from Morrisseys mouth and the
> view of the fans does not fit.

> Funny.
Jimmy Jimmy
Words and Music by Madonna and Stephen Bray

Where you goin' boy, I see your legs twitchin'
Jimmy Jimmy, oh Jimmy Jimmy
My daddy says you just need a good lickin'
Jimmy Jimmy, oh Jimmy Jimmy
You say you gonna be the king of Las Vegas
Jimmy Jimmy, oh Jimmy Jimmy
You're just a boy who comes from bad places
Jimmy Jimmy, oh Jimmy Jimmy

Why, oh why, oh why, oh why, oh why, oh why, oh why
Do fools fall in love with fools like you
Jimmy Jimmy, oh Jimmy Jimmy
Jimmy Jimmy, oh Jimmy Jimmy

and so on...

I'm right, and you are wrong, ain't it a convincing argument... LOL
Take care, Fox

 

[Nothing Yet]

It is an ugly sceen and there is no way the Morrissey I met in 86 would have approved... My girlfriend said it best. "Morrissey is dead, the guy who shows up on stage is an inflated pupet, not human, no longer sighted. I am much happier thinking morrissey is dead than have to think about what he has become."

> The thread was so long and didnt think you'd be able to read this comment.

> You are in fact dead on and i couldnt agree with you more. I am from LA
> also and was in the late 80's to early 90's in love with Morrissey and
> That Smiths. I skipped out on the whole following him idea and decided for
> the hell of it to catch the last show to get a feel for the past. First
> off i hate the Hollywood Paladium, but second i had that complete
> uncomfortable feeling you were describing. Shit i am from LA... i grew up
> with every race and had loads of all types of friends but the scene there
> was dirty as f***.To top it off there were 2 dicks beating the crap out of
> a guy behind me while Morrissey was playing. Come to find out too that one
> of the guys got stabbed after the show. There was nothing romantic about
> all of it and i felt so extremely sad that Morrissey had become trash. No
> Mexicans are not trash, so stop right there, but the crowd of mexican fans
> of Morrissey (by large) are pretty dirty. Hard looks ata Morrissey show?
> Where did the mods and twerpy record collectors go? Things change yes -
> but the funniest thing is is that the words from Morrisseys mouth and the
> view of the fans does not fit.

> Funny.

 

[Escaped from Strangeways]

I think most of the true original Smiths fans, in LA anyway have left Morrissey for just these reasons. It makes all of us very sad that Morrissey openly accepts these dirty people. This is not the Morrissey we grew up with and identified with. These are not enlightened people at the show, they are not people to share an experience with.

I also went to the Paladium show, after not having seen a show since the Santa Barbara Kill Uncle show. I saw a lot of fighting, a lot of dirty people, who I am sure that most have been arrested.

What I found to be most disturbing at the show is that I was directly confronted by a hispanic girl who couldn't have been older than 16. She was dressed worse than a street walker. I admit I might have been looking at her a bit too long because I was shocked how trashy such a young girl and her friends would choose to dress. Her eyebrows were gone and redrawn with a liner, which made her face look really chunky, she was wearing a very deep red lipstick with a dark lip liner. It was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad. She was also wearing one of those aweful got morrissey shirts, that was about 2 sized too small for her.

I felt kinda sad for her, and I guess I glanced too long and she got right up into my face, so close I could feel her breath. She said to me. "Hey white girl, you don't belong here! Why don't you go back to the dairy farm."

I said, "excuse me?"

She said "You heard me bitch, get your skinny white ass, out of my face, before I feed you to my dogs"

I said "relax, I just came to enjoy the show" and walked away.

This ruined the whole show for me, I felt akward the entire time,
it also burned me up, that being an original smiths fan, that this person who was most likely 3 or 4 when the smiths broke up, could feel it was her right to displace me.

Grant it this was just one hispanic fan, but I don't see non-hispanic fans anymore, and I heard other stories like this. What is even more sad, is that I bought a girlfriend of mine, who just started getting into the smiths, and was really excited about seeing morrissey live. The confrontations she observed at the show turned her off to the smiths forever.

I don't think morrissey is selling out, because he has fostered a situation that will not allow any civilized person of any race to enjoy his music in a live show. Unless you want to fly to Canada, but even then...

I think Morrissey is just being blind.

How sad is now?

-Emi

"I escaped from strangeways, don't tell"

> The thread was so long and didnt think you'd be able to read this comment.

> You are in fact dead on and i couldnt agree with you more. I am from LA
> also and was in the late 80's to early 90's in love with Morrissey and
> That Smiths. I skipped out on the whole following him idea and decided for
> the hell of it to catch the last show to get a feel for the past. First
> off i hate the Hollywood Paladium, but second i had that complete
> uncomfortable feeling you were describing. Shit i am from LA... i grew up
> with every race and had loads of all types of friends but the scene there
> was dirty as f***.To top it off there were 2 dicks beating the crap out of
> a guy behind me while Morrissey was playing. Come to find out too that one
> of the guys got stabbed after the show. There was nothing romantic about
> all of it and i felt so extremely sad that Morrissey had become trash. No
> Mexicans are not trash, so stop right there, but the crowd of mexican fans
> of Morrissey (by large) are pretty dirty. Hard looks ata Morrissey show?
> Where did the mods and twerpy record collectors go? Things change yes -
> but the funniest thing is is that the words from Morrisseys mouth and the
> view of the fans does not fit.

> Funny.

 

[Fox in the Snow]

Let's be real here, Emi dear...

> I think most of the true original Smiths fans, in LA anyway have left
> Morrissey for just these reasons. It makes all of us very sad that
> Morrissey openly accepts these dirty people. This is not the Morrissey we
> grew up with and identified with. These are not enlightened people at the
> show, they are not people to share an experience with.
dirty people = whom?

> I also went to the Paladium show, after not having seen a show since the
> Santa Barbara Kill Uncle show. I saw a lot of fighting, a lot of dirty
> people, who I am sure that most have been arrested.
... and deported to Tijuana? (being ironic here)
Arrested for what? For being Mexicans? Girl, I'm trying to be nice here, yet you sound so bitchy, like Joan Crawford on coke... LOL
Also, I saw real violence in my musical shows life, 95% white crowd goin' total nuts at Ozzy Osborne and variety punk shows at 90s... with some peoples getting all messed up and bloodied with runnin' noses and black eyes... (I was part-time reporter for some Boston student magazine, so I had to go out to cover many shows out of journalist's duty, many of them I would never attend on my own... No, I'm not into Ozzy Osborne or into Poison ) Moz shows at LA had about 5 or 6 idiots at worst, most pushing and showelling happened near the stage among girlfans... By rock'n'roll standards, level of mischief at Moz 99' shows at Palladium was "very mild". However, the Palladium itself was extremily shitty cramped venue, without aero-conditioning, with awful acoustics etc...
El Tri rulez! Palladium sucks!

> What I found to be most disturbing at the show is that I was directly
> confronted by a hispanic girl who couldn't have been older than 16. She
> was dressed worse than a street walker. I admit I might have been looking
> at her a bit too long because I was shocked how trashy such a young girl
> and her friends would choose to dress. Her eyebrows were gone and redrawn
> with a liner, which made her face look really chunky, she was wearing a
> very deep red lipstick with a dark lip liner. It was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO bad.
> She was also wearing one of those aweful got morrissey shirts, that was
> about 2 sized too small for her.
This Mexican girl was not a street walker, you stupid. She was a 50s revivalist, Betty Page-wonna be... I guess it is matter of taste, this 50s Natalie Wood - Betty Page clone look... Now, are you trying to tell that "got morrissey" shirts are in bad taste? Again, fashion is in the eye of the beholder... you just displaying here your intolerance for anybody who looks original, apart from Gap crowd of jocks and sorority girls... I'm not urging you to like 50s revivalism (even so I like this 50s look), just display a little bit of tolerance and common sense.

> I felt kinda sad for her, and I guess I glanced too long and she got right
> up into my face, so close I could feel her breath. She said to me.
> "Hey white girl, you don't belong here! Why don't you go back to the
> dairy farm."
Oh, baby, that's World War III for ya, flames are all over the hall.
Hear me, Emi, if somebody would give me a long hard look "you are trash", like YOU GAVE to this Rockabilly Mexican girl, I would be spooked too and would ask this him/her somebody: "What's the matter, boyee/girl? Anything wrong???" Seems to me, you spooked her...

> I said, "excuse me?"
Easton Prep school manners... Commendable LOL

> She said "You heard me bitch, get your skinny white ass, out of my
> face, before I feed you to my dogs"
Now, that's real bitchin' catfight...

> I said "relax, I just came to enjoy the show" and walked away.
So you chickened out, chicken, chicken...!!! LOL, just kiddin'

> This ruined the whole show for me, I felt akward the entire time,
> it also burned me up, that being an original smiths fan, that this person
> who was most likely 3 or 4 when the smiths broke up, could feel it was her
> right to displace me.
Where are my soft tissues... I'm crying for you, poor Emi! LOL

> Grant it this was just one hispanic fan, but I don't see non-hispanic fans
> anymore, and I heard other stories like this. What is even more sad, is
> that I bought a girlfriend of mine, who just started getting into the
> smiths, and was really excited about seeing morrissey live. The
> confrontations she observed at the show turned her off to the smiths
> forever.
Welcome to Mexico City! Oh, just being ironic, I saw many white fans at 99 Moz tour... FYI, in Ventura about three fourth of audience were whites... LA just have a huge Latino population.

> I don't think morrissey is selling out, because he has fostered a
> situation that will not allow any civilized person of any race to enjoy
> his music in a live show. Unless you want to fly to Canada, but even
> then...
Well, no one is making you to attend his shows under the gun. BTW, N'sync and Britney are on tour, so hurry...

> I think Morrissey is just being blind.
I think Morrissey is just being cool and open-minded.

> How sad is now?
How sad are you, Emi darling?

> -Emi
Fox

> "I escaped from strangeways, don't tell"
"There are some bad people on the rise,
they are saving their own skins by
ruining people's lives
...
I wonder why you are only half-ashamed
Because enough is too much,
and look around...
can you blame us? Can you blame us?"

 

[Paul Frank's Sister]

Re: Let's be real here, Emi dear...

I was at the Ventura show, it was just as trashy!

I went out of my way to go there, because I wanted to avoid the LA/Hispanic crowd.

Well Ventura wasn't far enough to go.

I know just how Emi feels, I am from Japan and I have lived in LA for about 6 years. I saw the Smiths in Japan, and saw Morrissey Solo there in 91.
When I came to L.A. I couldn't believe what was going on in the Morrissey sub-cultre. It was just too dirty for me.

I thought Ventura would be great, but it was a let down. That god aweful mexico jacket he wore took the cake. That thing was a foul piece of habadashery by even mexican standards. I really love Morrissey and the Smiths. The anti-asian statements he made in the past were long than made up for over time. Some people can reform, and I think he has in many ways, and still has a lot to learn in other ways.

All you guys need to chill out, and realize that people tend not to like each other. We can just do the best we can while we are here, and try to avoid what we don't like in this world.

Coco Chanel said that "good taste ruins certain true spirtual values, such as taste itself"

There are those of us in this world who know what style and beauty is and we wear it on the inside. There are also those truely roll in the mud like pigs and think they are beauty queens, sad but true.

Sis

> dirty people = whom?
> ... and deported to Tijuana? (being ironic here)
> Arrested for what? For being Mexicans? Girl, I'm trying to be nice here,
> yet you sound so bitchy, like Joan Crawford on coke... LOL
> Also, I saw real violence in my musical shows life, 95% white crowd goin'
> total nuts at Ozzy Osborne and variety punk shows at 90s... with some
> peoples getting all messed up and bloodied with runnin' noses and black
> eyes... (I was part-time reporter for some Boston student magazine, so I
> had to go out to cover many shows out of journalist's duty, many of them I
> would never attend on my own... No, I'm not into Ozzy Osborne or into
> Poison ) Moz shows at LA had about 5 or 6 idiots at worst, most
> pushing and showelling happened near the stage among girlfans... By
> rock'n'roll standards, level of mischief at Moz 99' shows at Palladium was
> "very mild". However, the Palladium itself was extremily shitty
> cramped venue, without aero-conditioning, with awful acoustics etc...
> El Tri rulez! Palladium sucks!
> This Mexican girl was not a street walker, you stupid. She was a 50s
> revivalist, Betty Page-wonna be... I guess it is matter of taste, this 50s
> Natalie Wood - Betty Page clone look... Now, are you trying to tell that
> "got morrissey" shirts are in bad taste? Again, fashion is in
> the eye of the beholder... you just displaying here your intolerance for
> anybody who looks original, apart from Gap crowd of jocks and sorority
> girls... I'm not urging you to like 50s revivalism (even so I like this
> 50s look), just display a little bit of tolerance and common sense.
> Oh, baby, that's World War III for ya, flames are all over the hall.
> Hear me, Emi, if somebody would give me a long hard look "you are
> trash", like YOU GAVE to this Rockabilly Mexican girl, I would be
> spooked too and would ask this him/her somebody: "What's the matter,
> boyee/girl? Anything wrong???" Seems to me, you spooked her...
> Easton Prep school manners... Commendable LOL
> Now, that's real bitchin' catfight...
> So you chickened out, chicken, chicken...!!! LOL, just kiddin'
> Where are my soft tissues... I'm crying for you, poor Emi! LOL
> Welcome to Mexico City! Oh, just being ironic, I saw many white fans at 99
> Moz tour... FYI, in Ventura about three fourth of audience were whites...
> LA just have a huge Latino population.
> Well, no one is making you to attend his shows under the gun. BTW, N'sync
> and Britney are on tour, so hurry...
> I think Morrissey is just being cool and open-minded.
> How sad are you, Emi darling?
> Fox
> "There are some bad people on the rise,
> they are saving their own skins by
> ruining people's lives
> ...
> I wonder why you are only half-ashamed
> Because enough is too much,
> and look around...
> can you blame us? Can you blame us?"