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davidt
on Thursday April 17 2003, @10:00AM
An anonymous person writes:
This is NOT a story but I would be interested in hearing peoples opinions on this... Rumours abound that Moz has signed, will sign or has not signed to almost every label in the world...yet for months now nothing concrete has been heard. Now, at the risk of sounding like the editor of A Chance to Shine and heaven knows nobody wants to sound like that loafing oaf...I have heard it through the grapevine that a new Moz album may NEVER happen. While this is merely hearsay (heresy?) at the moment it does seem to me that if a new album was going to arrive it would have done so long before now...I heard demos of "Irish Blood..." over 18 months ago. With the English press back on side, a fantastically well received tour and a renewed interest in Moz/The Smiths from all the young dudes (The Strokes, The Thrills, The Vines, The Libertines, Interpol) the time was right. So, why no new album...GREED. I honestly believe that deals have been offered and turned down because they don't offer an already wealthy man enough money. Is it just me or does anybody else find that sad? I love Moz, I hope I am wrong but hand on sickened heart I don't think I am.
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These feelings make sense... (Score:0)
I don't know...I think I'd be content if Morrissey never released anything again but after hearing the new songs and Malajusted (which has some killer tracks), we could be missing out on something great as well.
yep, there will be another release allright.... (Score:2, Funny)
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And what if...? (Score:1)
And I never thought I was alone in my assumption, that Morrissey appears to be quite a greedy person - from books, from other people's comments - even from his own mouth! I wouldn't trust him with five dollars for the weekend. There's no question that the only reason he doesn't have a new album out is because of money. Why he should care... I cannot imagine and neither can anyone else here. So why even speculate.
Be happy with the music we have. If he releases more... he releases more. He's not sitting in his home thinking to himself, "But I want all my fans to hear all my new songs!! If only I had a record label!" No... it's not like that. And I don't blame him either.
Everyone should forget about this silly record label business - he'll sign if someone offers him enough. In the meantime, there's a hundred some odd songs that I'm content to listen to. They just don't seem to get old... but this droning on and on about whether he's going to release a new album IS (and who's going to produce it and what the track line up is, etc etc etc).
Suzanne are you still out there?
EA
(User #725 Info)
What! (Score:1)
...reissue, repackage... Oh how he liked to blame the record label for such things but he still condoned them to squeezing our devoted last 2 cents from us for him.
I'd still love a new album because if he's still churning new songs I sure LOVE to hear them on one album.
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ok, well, as long he he does a few more tours.... (Score:1, Interesting)
Missing Morrissey (Score:2, Insightful)
Morrissey: A very dark and mysterious creature?
Perhaps, but even they become tired old cliches.
Will he release a new disc?
I dunno, though I think he does.
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I gave up a while ago. (Score:1)
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Greed is good (Score:2, Insightful)
A] Worth listening to
B] Willing to go on top of the pops
?
(User #103 Info)
no moz material (Score:0)
Some day ... (Score:1)
(User #162 Info)
same as all you other people (Score:1)
thanks for the tour last year, mozz.
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If he were so "greedy"... (Score:2, Insightful)
I would say that it's pretty childish and naive to speculate it's because Morrissey's "already wealthy man". Firstly, I think he probably has more money than you or I, but not more than, say, a well-paid CEO, let alone a Madonna or a Shug Knight or countless others that have a even a few major hits. Morrissey never had that kind of mega-star success. A few years ago his wealth was estimated at 8 Million pounds; very nice, but not inexhaustable in today's economy -- or within a rock star lifestyle. (If you think it is, you're naive. Taxes on that level of income are nearly 40 percent! Add in lawyers and bands and roadies and agents...) So I would say that he's probably not greedy--perhaps he's a bit "miserly" when it comes to paying others and paying debts, etc. But that's different than greed.
I think his reluctance comes from the fact that he can only compete against himself these days...his albums would be released to shrugs and yet more comparisons against the Smiths. It's a matter of dying young and staying pretty. Going out on top, or at least stopping the decline.
on their hands... (Score:0)
More than just greed.... (Score:1)
I won't accept that as an answer.
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Find (Score:0)
Maybe its... (Score:0)
it's pride more than greed (Score:0)
whatever he was offered for Maladjusted and Southpaw, he'll only be offered a fraction now (maybe 25%) because of his recent sales trajectory. strange thing is, he knows a heck of a lot about record sales and must realise a record company's predicament which is made only worse by his reputation for being impossible to contact for month after month at key record-promotion times.
he needs to look at other cult artists from the 80s e.g. Bragg, McCulloch, Weller, Pet Shop Boys, even the Healers and realise how little they've had to accept.
he's also under the considerable misconception that an internet-based company, or setting up his own record company would mean that the songs won't be widely available or played on the radio. as I've said before it will take someone who is close to Moz, who has a pragmatic approach to business, and who understands the record industry to point all this out to him.
I believe Mr Martin Boorer may be the only person to whom all this applies and can ensure those 24 songs get released in the relatively near future.
Please Boz, we're counting on you!
John Steed, England
Patience (Score:0)
Just a quick thought..... (Score:0)
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"Irish Blood" demos? (Score:0)
SHARE!
SHARE!
SHARE!
Well I wonder....... (Score:1)
I hope that he does release it all at some point, but that doesn't mean that he will. It is his decision to continue fighting the good fight in the music industry or not.
But if we're talking about greed- then maybe we should focus on some of the comments made here.
"I want to see him tour again."
"I want some new material."
"I want to hear what he's got stored away."
"I want to see what he's written."
And what about dear Morrissey's wants?
Waiting with hope-
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too lazy to come up with a subject header (Score:2, Funny)
its not because he's a has-been. i don't know if its money or silly label demands or whatever we probably like to think. whatever his own excuses are, i think that probably deep down, he probably just enjoys comfortably living with the celebrity he has for himself. and when you think about how things have been for the past couple of years with the interviews and television appearances and tours, the actual recording and release of an album is growing to be almost a miniscule part of the picture of what his career actually is these days.
does the world actually need a new album? does he need to record one? he's living comfortably off of his legacy, and in my mind (regardless if this is fact or fantasy) i think that driving to the studio to lay down a couple of vocals for a new release is just an itty bitty thing. bands and performers of less means do it everyday and survive. and maybe its so inconsequential to him and his current career that he can't be bothered with thinking about the money that he is worth for doing it. maybe its not worth the headache of label people, and promotions, and the low payout and the trade-offs they would expect of him. maybe for all its worth to him, maybe he'd just rather have the new songs recorded live by bootleggers and then passed around from one person to the next.
otherwise, he doesn't really seem like a man of passion about it. he had a really great tour last year and now he's back to hanging out around the house again. if the tour had gone badly, this could logically be seen as him feeling sorry for himself, but he shouldn't feel like that one bit. so i think that maybe he's due for a career change, and he either can't admit it to himself or just doesn't really know exactly what he could do next.
maybe he's reached a new point where he'd rather be writing his biography, and sticking his name on compilations, and telling music journalists to fuck off if he doesn't want to talk to them, and singing "suedehead" with his die-hards in los angeles when he feels like he's ready to do it and not when someone else tells him that he needs to go promote his album.
i don't want any complaints about him being lazy or hard to work with because that's not really what my point is. i think that in the end, there are other reasons than the ones he is saying and he probably just doesn't want to have to explain himself. and especially now that after his last record deal went sour and he's been on his own for so long that i think that he probably just can't bring himself into giving in to what is necessary for getting a new album off the ground.
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Re:too lazy to come up with a subject header (Score:2, Insightful)
I'm also surprised you don't believe this has anything to do with money... Morrissey and the almighty dollar seem so intertwined...
I think the REAL facade of the matter is Morrissey hiding behind the artist persona. He's the great recycler of other people's work - but I suppose there's some art to it, I don't deny that, but I doubt he would have lolled about on his couch into his thirties if Johnny hadn't come around. Morrissey seems like a real business man when it comes to his career. Wasn't Johnny's biggest complaint that he couldn't take a vacation? He just couldn't handle that work is a four letter word...
EA
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unbased miserabilism (Score:1)
So stretch out and wait...the man will return. Perhaps very soon.
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A note upon his desk - P.S. (Score:1)
It could be worse than a wait. I waited forever for Depeche Mode's Exciter and could have jumped off a bridge when I finally bought and heard it. One thing you can always count on is Morrissey's style, class and integrity as an artist.
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David T, Stop it, please. (Score:1)
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And... (Score:1)
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Just one more... (Score:1)
I can dream, can' t I?
xox
kl
(User #80 Info)
your chance to shine (Score:1)
the world should be told
(User #8098 Info)
This is the trouble (Score:0)
So don't think poor old Morrissey it's his own fault.
I'm sure you don't mean to sound ungrateful, but . (Score:2, Insightful)
Moz made life liveable for me and thousands of others during the dark, dreadful days of Thatcher and all that travelled with her. He expressed for me those things I didn't have words for.
I can honestly say that I owe him a great deal and if he's had a couple of hundred quid of me over the last twenty years, it was cheap at twice the price.
It would be great to have a new album and I'm sure he could pay for it himself but if I were Moz and I constantly heard this type of moaning day-in-day-out I think my attitude would be "fuck the lot of you, you ungrateful bastards"
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To be quite honest (Score:2, Insightful)
That's the sort of thing this site could use, not more doomsday predictions or phony rumours.
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co-dependant (Score:1)
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Patience (Score:0)
MUSIC, PLEASE!
More than just Morrissey (Score:1)
This is hopefully a trend. Last time this happened in the 70s, punk came along and kicked everyone's ass back into shape. Hopefully a similar change will take music back where it needs to be. But if it isn't a trend and Rock and Roll is gone and done, then we have probably seen our last Morrissey record.
I think Morrissey has simply been waiting for conditions to change in popular culture. The Strokes, Vines, White Stripes, et al. was a good start last summer, but it needs to be sustained without corportae leeches like April Lavigne stealing the show. There needs to be an audience for him.
And as for money, he's not a greedy man, or else he would have taken any ol' contract already. He just knows that when a label comes to him, offers a competitve contract with a real marketing campaign (always a concern with Morrissey) then the time will be right.
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Record Company Logic (Score:1)
This is why it's no surprise that smaller labels may be making offers, but getting no commitment because they can't pay the advertisement price.
But the larger companies are just down right stupid! Here's why:
Maladjusted, while an impressively adult album, did not do as well as his previous albums. But here's the hitch -- it still went gold and his supporting tour sold out every venue!
So why don't they make him a better offer and put in a little effort with the radio stations? Because that means giving Mozzer the artistic control he deserves. And since all major record executives are clueless, un-artistic idiots, Moz gets nothing!
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New Morrissey (Score:0)
As far as I know... (Score:1)
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Re:As far as I know... (Score:2, Insightful)
MY ADVICE:
Start from scratch.
Book your own gigs.
Put some of your dough down and lay some tracks down the studio.
Release some music on your own.
Release singles instead of albums to get noticed and keep it cheap.
Win new fans.
Promote Yourself.
Develop your own official website so we know what the hell is going on.
THEN YOU'LL GET YOUR $ and YOUR DEAL
If it is really about the music and especially the fans, who cares if you don't make millions? I know MOZ wants creative control but besides that...what else does he need? He won't conform and nobody wants him to. But there are plenty of people in this world who make music, are successful but not on top of the singles charts. They make money not millions and tend to have the most obessive fans. MOZ is already world renowned and doesn't need to make millions just money...
Everyone on here would buy a new album, and many others as well...but unless Morrissey busts his ass...he isn't going to get what he wants. He needs to treat his career like he is in a new band, that is just trying to make it. I am not saying put MOZ on MTV...but MARR is having plenty of success on a small label with little PR and I think less of the public knows who MARR is than knows who MORRISSEY is! And his music isn't nearly as good...
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repackage, re-issue (Score:1)
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Its never going to happen... (Score:1)
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Music: What a Lonely Sound (Score:0)
Personally, I'm glad there aren't many products I need to buy these days.
Good Idea (Score:0)
sooner or later this was bound to happen........ (Score:1)
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Well... (Score:2, Insightful)
they don't take risks anymore on people such as Moz who they see as 'troublesome', due to him not taking any of their bullsh*t and having an opinion. Hence as we all know he's a very sharp and opinionated man, much to his own cost but it's also very admirable, well i believe so.....he doesn't change to suit the current music climate. We are all fed up and so bored now with the situation, i'm sure alot of people have given up hoping which is fair enough. In the time it's taken from Maladjusted to now 'The Smiths' had been and gone, that is the rather sad aspect of this, we've been denied the mans talent for far too long now. Frustration is an emotion Morrissey fans are well versed in, but i can't give up on him now, i just can't.....sad but true! So David, maybe it is a money thing, damn that stuff is evil but i'm sure that is just a small part of it, i really believe he hasn't had a realistic offers made. In these times of walking musical abortions clutching deals left right and centre, morrissey is still as ever the odd one out, just as it has always been, would we/he have it any other way?
Answers on a postcard please!
take care,
Kes X (taking cover from the impending insults)
tis just an opinion after all.
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a few things to remember. (Score:2, Insightful)
If you want to see a true union of musical legacy and profit motive, look at David Bowie in 2003. When you compare that model to the countless things Morrissey has done to stifle the goals of increased record sales and public exposure, the greed argument simply falls apart. (I've listed some of Morrissey's efforts at self-sabbotage in prior postings, so I won't repeat them here.)
By all reports, Morrissey feels better about himself and his life than he ever has before. After making records fueled by so many years of anguish (SOME of which MAY have been self-generated, but depression hurts no matter the source), it's quite likely he wants to ease up a bit. Contrary to popular belief, making music and being comfortable with self are by no means mutually exclusive; in fact, a bit of Morrissey's work challenges the old equation of misery with art, e.g., A Swallow On My Neck. Also, he must get *some* satisfation from writing songs and touring, otherwise, why the hell bother when (a). it takes work, and (b). you aren't making a whole lot of dosh for the trouble? One conclusion to draw from this is Morrissey still likes his work, but no longer has the us-vs.-world level of ambition. (Graham Coxon recently spoke of having a "gun to [his] head" during his years in Blur.)
The question asked was whether there'll be another album. Based on the surprises Morrissey has pulled in the past (entering the UK charts at #1 only to disappear for ages; pulling himself back from the edge of artistic disaster after Kill Uncle, etc.) I think all bets are now off.
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quite honestly (Score:0)
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getting up off your lazy arse (Score:1)
1. his voice is so bloody strong now. more powerful than ever.
2. the last batch of songs from last years tour were great. much, much better than anything from malajusted.
chances of seeing a new album.....
probably sweet fa! come on moz, give the public what they want, you stooge
(User #6906 Info)
Too true... (Score:1)
Maybe the best we can push for is a legit release of "Thank Your Lucky Stars" for all the fans who sadly have no copy. Or even get "I Know Very Well How I Got My Note Wrong" on a B-side import. Who knows.
It's too bad really. I've had a lot of fun posting on this web site, but the small number of responses as of late is understandable. There is no news beyond trivia. Will we soon see a RIP for this web site?
Hope not!
(User #5434 Info)
What if a new Morrissey album is never released? (Score:0)
He will be back...... (Score:0)
Morrissey is a superstar and also a true professional. He will return... to knock us out of our beds yet again.
(I'm off to snack on some Mr Kipling's apple pies..........)
Oh well.. (Score:1)
Its interesting to hear all these comments about Morrissey because I remember a time not so long ago when news about Morrissey was through friends on street and fanzines at the local record shop. I think even Morrissey fans have become greedy with the info surrounding Morrissey. Finding out what the next show might be or just downloading new songs soon after they are played somewhere in Mexico,etc. are just a few examples of how spoiled we have become with information. So its been six years since his last album. Good for him. He has done plenty and only needs to answer to himself. I don't mean to say those who don't agree with me are wrong. I just want to point out that there was a time when being Morrissey fan was all about the big guess of when he was coming around and when the new album or single was released. No ridiculous pre-internet sales that cut people out of the loop but long waits on lines to buy a ticket or get an autograph and meeting other fans who appreciated the moment.
If a new album comes, then great. If not, oh well. Disappointment is part of being a Morrissey fan and I mean that in a positive way. You learn to deal with it.
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chihuahua!!!! (Score:0)
a new album?? NO
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