Why It's Time To Ditch Your Morrissey-Loving Friend - The Quietus

To correct the history-ignorant people on here - The Holocaust was a Christian-led horror. Christians in Europe had wanted to slaughter Jews for centuries, and Christianity got their chance. If you people were actually opposed to the Holocaust, you would be demanding laws that close every church in England. Religion is poison, religion is a hate-crime. Anyone who believes in God is a racist. That is a fact.
 
So are you therefore inferring that Hitler and the Nazis upon coming to power in January 1933 didn't:
- Lock up prominent socialists and communists
- Ban left wing organisations and unions
- "Aryanised" Jewish business and clubs
- Start locking up who they considered social ills and undesirables

And are you therefore arguing that the Third Reich didn't:
- Encourage pogroms against Jews which resulted in Kristallnacht in 1938.
- Lock up millions of Jews in concentration camps.
- Murder nearly six million Jews in death camps, death marches, death by disease, death by starvation and execution by firing squad.
- Murder homosexuals, gypsies, Poles, Slavs and other peoples it deemed subhuman

Because that's certainly what you inferred. Seriously, if you think Hitler was left wing, you are one of the dumbest c***s in existence, like Morrissey, and you deserve nothing but contempt and derision. If you're doing it because you yourself a right-wing racist, who fears being associated with historical acts carried out by right wing racists, then you're a contemptuous, cynical c***.
All that did happen in third Reich Germany Its what happened after that's been fluffed over and left out of history.
The Bush family made their fortune when grandpa Bush the banker laundered nazi money.
Nazi experimenters on prisoners were recruited by the US as were 1000s of war criminals for the space programme "operation paperclip" and as operatives for the FBI and CIA during the 50s. The data from experiments was used by the American medical establishment afterwards.
There is extensive documentation from the USA in the thirties carrying out experiments on indignant black men and I worked with clients with disabilities who were in the massechusets fernauld school where plutonium was fed to children in a government sponsored experiments in the 50s.
The school didn't close till the 80s and there were no repurcussions
Many Nazis were allowed to escape to Argentina and other South American countries where interestingly, the Bush family now own extensive property.
The idea for fluoridation of water came from the concentration camps where it was used in the water supply as it makes people more compliant. Its a byproduct of aluminium which is linked to Alzheimer as it adheres to the brain.


Before you jump in to tell everyone what to think, do a little thinking of your own.
Jack Boot commentaries and foul name calling don't strengthen an argument or gain any respect no matter how "right" you may feel.you are.
It is in itself a form of fascism.
People are way too sure of accepted views. Morrissey is right to question the status quo who are just as bad as any politician he has praised and most likely worse.
Left or right wing you're either a fascist or you're not. It's in the actual words you say, not the ideology you hide behind.
None of us get to tell other people what they deserve, it smacks of fascism, not to mention emotional immaturity, and comes straight from the ego. Words mean the same thing no matter if you say them to a person's face ot from behind a keyboard.
 
To correct the history-ignorant people on here - The Holocaust was a Christian-led horror. Christians in Europe had wanted to slaughter Jews for centuries, and Christianity got their chance.

When you say "got their chance", what do you mean by that? What was stopping them before?

Hatred of Jews far predates Christianity. Everyone at one time or another has wanted to slaughter the Jews. The Romans were pagan and killed a ton of Jews.
 
When you say "got their chance", what do you mean by that? What was stopping them before?

I mean that Christianity had been planning the Holocaust for hundreds of years. It was Christianity expressing it's true character, which is why Christianity and all other faiths need to be made illegal. Either that, or tax those who follow a faith at something like 98% of their net income. Tax those of "faith" into extinction.

By the way, I'm kind of aware that Jew-hatred and other genocidal tendencies predate Christianity. Every religion going back through history has been a murderous cancer.
 
I mean that Christianity had been planning the Holocaust for hundreds of years.

Nazis propaganda was very explicit their grievances against the Jews were not theological in nature.

In the American Civil War, Ulysses S. Grant expelled all the Jews in territory under his command because they were helping the Confederacy sell cotton on the black market. Maybe if Jews laid off the shenanigans people would stop trying to kill them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Order_No._11_(1862)
 
I mean that Christianity had been planning the Holocaust for hundreds of years

Let's look at some actual Nazi propaganda, shall we?

This is an official NSDAP propaganda issued by Alfred Rosenberg’s office in February 1944.
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/weltparasit.htm

"At the beginning of the war’s sixth year, we may not permit ourselves to neglect the Jewish question in any way. First of all, we must always combat the remnants of past education, the once general view in which Jewry is seen only as a religious denomination. Instead, the racial mixture that is Jewry must be emphasized. The religious beliefs of the Jews are completely irrelevant. Instead, we must focus solely on blood, on the racial foundation.

From the beginning of its existence, the National Socialist German Workers’ Party has always attempted to educate the German people about these facts. As early as 1922 the Führer said: “We were also those who for the first time made major efforts to explain to the people a danger that had crept up on us, and which millions of people did not recognize, even though it threatened to ruin us all: the danger of the Jews.” In his book Mein Kampf (p. 335), he said: “Over the long term, he can preserve his existence within other peoples only if he succeeds in persuading them that he is not a people, but only a ‘religious community,’ albeit a peculiar one.”

The first and greatest lie, that Jewry is not a racial question, but a religion, inevitably leads to further lies. Another lie concerns the Jew’s language. It is not a way for him to express his thoughts, but rather a means to conceal them. Although he may speak German, French, or some other language, he thinks in a Jewish way. He may spout German poetry, but he remains a member of his race. Heinrich Heine is the best example."

Or this from a 1939 citizen's pamphlet:
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/imbild1.htm

"Greater Germany is the first country in the world to find a legal way to separate from the alien Jewish people. In contrast to the views of the last century and of the so-called democrats of today, National Socialism sees the Jewish Question not as a religious problem, but rather as a racial question."

This is from a 1936 pamphlet on how to resolve arguments from non-antisemites:
https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/responses.htm

"Argument 1: “You say that religion is a private matter. But you fight against the Jewish religion!”
Counterargument: “Actually, the Jewish religion is nothing other than a doctrine to preserve the Jewish race.” (Adolf Hitler). “In resisting all government attempts to nationalize them, the Jews build a state within the state (Count Helmuth von Moltke). “To call this state a ‘religion’ was one of the cleverest tricks ever invented.” (Adolf Hitler). “From this first lie that Jewry is a religion, not a race, further lies inevitably follow.” (Adolf Hitler)."

Your theory also fails on the grounds that the Nazis also killed Jewish converts to Christianity if they had two or more Jewish grandparents.
 
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I mean that Christianity had been planning the Holocaust for hundreds of years. It was Christianity expressing it's true character, which is why Christianity and all other faiths need to be made illegal. Either that, or tax those who follow a faith at something like 98% of their net income. Tax those of "faith" into extinction.

By the way, I'm kind of aware that Jew-hatred and other genocidal tendencies predate Christianity. Every religion going back through history has been a murderous cancer.
What Holocaust?

There have been many in history - but only one gets airtime.
 
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So are you therefore inferring that Hitler and the Nazis upon coming to power in January 1933 didn't:
- Lock up prominent socialists and communists
- Ban left wing organisations and unions
- "Aryanised" Jewish business and clubs
- Start locking up who they considered social ills and undesirables

And are you therefore arguing that the Third Reich didn't:
- Encourage pogroms against Jews which resulted in Kristallnacht in 1938.
- Lock up millions of Jews in concentration camps.
- Murder nearly six million Jews in death camps, death marches, death by disease, death by starvation and execution by firing squad.
- Murder homosexuals, gypsies, Poles, Slavs and other peoples it deemed subhuman

Because that's certainly what you inferred. Seriously, if you think Hitler was left wing, you are one of the dumbest c***s in existence, like Morrissey, and you deserve nothing but contempt and derision. If you're doing it because you yourself a right-wing racist, who fears being associated with historical acts carried out by right wing racists, then you're a contemptuous, cynical c***.


If I dropped every friend who had a different opinion to me, I'd be morrissey
 
In the end people like you get mad for being exposed as traitors and turn to hate and violence. Smart people find a way to live outside the system and most football hooligans do that one way or the other which is why they are the driving force behind questioning what is going on.

Get back to work son!

Oh not philosophers, not poet's.. Just brain dead football hooligans who usually work on building sites or middle management


You lot are thick as f***
 
Oh not philosophers, not poet's.. Just brain dead football hooligans who usually work on building sites or middle management


You lot are thick as f***
Hooligans make cash from nothing and are street smart. You cannot travel like that when working at just some random workplace like you do.
 
Hooligans make cash from nothing and are street smart. You cannot travel like that when working at just some random workplace like you do.

No they aint. Also they stopped being the edgy in 87. How f***ing old are you?
 
No they aint. Also they stopped being the edgy in 87. How f***ing old are you?
They just got better from 87 and onwards. They live lifestyles the rich and famous can only dream of cause they party for real and travel for real.

They even buy the fashion gear some rappers use but without having to get shot in the process cause hooligans are white and smart.
 
[QUOTE="albeit in a fit of completely poisoned nostalgia that disregards how miserable they actually were.

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Did you use the word "poisoned" as an invective that invalidates the point you were trying to make?
 
To correct the history-ignorant people on here - The Holocaust was a Christian-led horror. Christians in Europe had wanted to slaughter Jews for centuries, and Christianity got their chance. If you people were actually opposed to the Holocaust, you would be demanding laws that close every church in England. Religion is poison, religion is a hate-crime. Anyone who believes in God is a racist. That is a fact.

Yawn this is someone else's idea published in the late 1950s called Cultural Marxism to overthrow the culture of the west. It started in the Frankfurt school. Hillary Clinton did a dissertation in her final year on it. Now do you have any of your own thoughts and ideas we could discuss those and they might be very good?
 
All that did happen in third Reich Germany Its what happened after that's been fluffed over and left out of history.
The Bush family made their fortune when grandpa Bush the banker laundered nazi money.
Nazi experimenters on prisoners were recruited by the US as were 1000s of war criminals for the space programme "operation paperclip" and as operatives for the FBI and CIA during the 50s. The data from experiments was used by the American medical establishment afterwards.
There is extensive documentation from the USA in the thirties carrying out experiments on indignant black men and I worked with clients with disabilities who were in the massechusets fernauld school where plutonium was fed to children in a government sponsored experiments in the 50s.
The school didn't close till the 80s and there were no repurcussions
Many Nazis were allowed to escape to Argentina and other South American countries where interestingly, the Bush family now own extensive property.
The idea for fluoridation of water came from the concentration camps where it was used in the water supply as it makes people more compliant. Its a byproduct of aluminium which is linked to Alzheimer as it adheres to the brain.


Before you jump in to tell everyone what to think, do a little thinking of your own.
Jack Boot commentaries and foul name calling don't strengthen an argument or gain any respect no matter how "right" you may feel.you are.
It is in itself a form of fascism.
People are way too sure of accepted views. Morrissey is right to question the status quo who are just as bad as any politician he has praised and most likely worse.
Left or right wing you're either a fascist or you're not. It's in the actual words you say, not the ideology you hide behind.
None of us get to tell other people what they deserve, it smacks of fascism, not to mention emotional immaturity, and comes straight from the ego. Words mean the same thing no matter if you say them to a person's face ot from behind a keyboard.

Hear Hear well said
 
I mean that Christianity had been planning the Holocaust for hundreds of years. It was Christianity expressing it's true character, which is why Christianity and all other faiths need to be made illegal. Either that, or tax those who follow a faith at something like 98% of their net income. Tax those of "faith" into extinction.

By the way, I'm kind of aware that Jew-hatred and other genocidal tendencies predate Christianity. Every religion going back through history has been a murderous cancer.

How has this "Murderous Cancer" affected you specifically?
 
Oh not philosophers, not poet's.. Just brain dead football hooligans who usually work on building sites or middle management


You lot are thick as f***

You will be providing the evidence that supports this conclusion you've come to unless your just spouting a little temper-tantrum because you disagreed with what someone wrote.
 
Those who are applying their ignorance and anger to attacking M. will choose to forget their remarks when he's gone. They are individuals like the Quietus author: easily swayed due to an absence of enduring personal values and a consistent willingness to lie to themselves about what they haven't attempted to understand.

M. has been an anti-authoritarian for as long as I know. Thatcherites loathed him, and the present day authoritarian leftists loathe him for refusing to fall in line. Accusations of racism regarding voluntary adherents of a violent, misogynistic, homophobic, anti-science belief system are enough to show that the current variation of authoritarians are indifferent to the definitions of the words they use, so long as they control the conversation.

If someone is offending authoritarians, I believe they're doing something worthwhile.

Dissent is sexy!
 
The left want to control your mind. The right want normality and justice
I dont think anyone in the UK has watched this since they still behave like lemmings. No one tells me what to do. HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY!!!



Yeah I know its all been published before. The lefties dont watch it. Great video though thanks for finding it, I certainly learned something.
 
Yeah I know its all been published before. The lefties dont watch it. Great video though thanks for finding it, I certainly learned something.

Ayn Rand looks and sounds f***ing mental. Literally like something from a horrorshow. She looks like she has filed her teeth to points.
 

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