Maybe you cynics just need to dig a little deeper, beyond High School English Introduction to Metaphors. This thread is vapid.
I am also dissapointed after my first listen,apart from something is squeezing my skull and mama the only song that stands out is its not your birthday anymore,this song starts out brilliant and really goes somehere but his wailing in the 2nd half of the song goes on a bit,
my view of things are he had 7yrs to write (lyrically and musically) some absolute crackers for yatq , and i think as of the morrissey now, bringing out an album every 2 yrs i feel with more time between each album the quality would be richer (lyrically and music),,
yatq deluxe version was a cracking collection of songs along with the extra tracks ie,friday mourning,,mexico etc (which may i say are far better than y.o.r),but these songs came in a 7 yr break(recording wise)
I am gonna wait for the deluxe version of y.o.r and hope for some cracking b sides...
I feel morrissey is like a mature wine the longer you leave him write, the quality from him is much better...steve.
please don't tell me my opinion is "vapid" and then offer nothing in the form of a counter argument.
I said the thread was vapid in response to you saying the lyrics were vapid. From what I gather your lyrical analysis concludes by suggesting there will never be a "classic" in this album so by default no true meaning can be gleaned from the lyrical content. There's so many logical fallacies within the broader context of "Where is the Lyrical Depth?" that I conclude the thread is the very word you chose to describe the album, a waste of time. Shame on you.
Fine. You can have you guns too so you can shoot down any possibility of an intellectual discussion about the lyrics.
I'm up for an intellectual discussion. I thought my posts were thoughtful enough given it was after a first listen. All I'm saying is I love the man too, so if we have a difference of opinion there is no need to type five letter words.
Okay, I'll look at your side and offer my thoughts and we can maybe meld our ideas together. It was just the subject of the thread that bothered me I suppose because I feel it's a very deep album. I have to take my mom to the mall first though. Later?
Oh dear... I've always valued your opinion, Vauxhall. Unless you're talking about America I shall try to listen with an unbiased ear in February. Good luck, I know.
As I said in another thread, lyrically it feels like he's trying to write "A Morrissey Song" instead of a Morrissey song.
i personally don't think the lyrics are the be all and end all. as long as the lyrics aren't completly ridiculous all's well if the tune's good
I voted for Obama! I think you're confusing me with Vauxhall94 (a common occurrence). He's a real American American.
IMO, this is the first Morrissey album in which he fails to deliver the goods: no witty insights, sly one liners, just average run of the mill fair here.
I agree. Unless the lyrics include stuff like "shit" or "puke"... I hate that.
I'm enjoying everyone's reviews, good and bad, but I can't form a full opinion until I hear the record myself. *willpower don't fail me now!* Not everything he does appeals to the masses. Take Kill Uncle for example.
me and kill uncle get on very well together.......most of the time
For example, Mama Lay Softly on the Riverbed questions why a "mother" or someone named mama would do something perhaps unsavory, then resolves to defend said person from the people who pushed her into doing it, not placing blame on her for doing it, but recognizing the same temptation in himself and empathizing with the situation with the resolve to protect her from future attack. This "mama" is no doubt MOTHER EARTH herself, for the goal is to lie down beside her (in his grave in the EARTH) and be sheltered with her. He alludes to kissing her as well, much like a man praying to heaven kisses the ground like a sun salutation in yoga. And who is this we? Is Morrissey the voice of many who seek to bond and be connected with the safety of Mother Earth? He's onto something here.
Wow, that is both something I had never thought of and yet instantly disagree with.
You can grab the latest dire pop song by anyone and crowbar depth into it, and you usually end up stretching it to a quite unbelievable conclusion.
There is as far as I'm aware nothing in the song that would make allusions think of Mother Earth (what an awful term). I agree with the first part of your analysis but it falls down at the Earth stuff, I just don't think there is anything to back it up.
You don't think being sheltered WITH mama in his GRAVE (which is in the earth) is an allusion to mother earth, an awful term? Go read the lyrics again.
Or is the term Mother Earth awful to you because it's full of awe?