Seymour Stein on Morrissey and Johnny Marr in Times interview

[originally posted in the thread Seymour Stein book "Siren Song" includes The Smiths]

An interview with Stein from the Times of London -

Seymour Stein: the man who signed Madonna (and the rest) - The Times (paywall)
The US pop mogul used Concorde to see English bands and Elton John used his spare room. Sarfraz Manzoor meets the king of Eighties pop

Excerpt:

Two years after signing Depeche Mode, Stein received a phone call from Geoff Travis, who founded the Rough Trade record store and ran a record label of the same name. "He said, 'I have just seen this band and I am so in love with them,' " Stein says. "He then said, 'The only thing I can tell you is that I believe you will love them even more than I do.' " The band were playing in two days' time, so Stein again hopped on Concorde, this time to London, and went to the ICA in London to see the Smiths. Stein describes Morrissey, the band's singer, as "one of the greatest artists I have ever worked with", but he also writes that he "wondered if maybe Morrissey harboured a deep unrequited love for Johnny Marr". What made you write that, I ask. "I do have that feeling," he says. "I could tell. I am pretty sure of it. I could see it and to tell you the truth I felt sorry for both of them because I didn't think Johnny was gay - and he wasn't - and I could feel for Morrissey."

Here's the text for those who can't access the article:

Seymour Stein, the man who signed Madonna (and the rest);
The US music mogul helped to launch the career of Talking Heads, while Elton John stayed in his spare room.

Sarfraz Manzoor meets the king of Eighties pop


It was the summer of 1982 and Seymour Stein was in a New York hospital recovering from an infection. The 40-year-old boss of Sire Records was listening to a demo sent by a friend. Mark Kamins was a New York DJ who had been badgering Stein to let him produce a record. "I thought he had great potential," Stein says, "so I gave him $18,000 to do six demos."

It was the third of those demos that Stein listened to in hospital - a track called Everybody by a young woman who called herself Madonna. "This girl knocked me off my feet," he says (presumably he wasn't lying down at this stage). He rang Kamins and said he wanted to meet Madonna that evening. "I was worried that someone else would sign her," he says. When Madonna arrived at the hospital they agreed on a record deal there and then. "Whoever got Madonna would have success with her," Stein says, "but I was the first to spot her and appreciate her."

It is early evening in Rough Trade East, a record store in east London, and I am talking to Stein before an appearance at the store to promote his memoir, Siren Song. He is 76 and somewhat unsure on his feet - he walks with a stick and is helped to his seat by his daughter, Mandy - but his reputation as one of the greatest music men in history is assured. This is the man who not only launched the careers of Madonna, the Ramones, Talking Heads, the Pretenders, Ice-T and Seal, but also introduced the Cure, Depeche Mode, Echo & the Bunnymen and the Smiths to American audiences.

Stein's career spans the history of pop music, from working for Billboard magazine and clubbing in Studio 54 to being inducted in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and he charts it in Siren Song. It begins in Forties Brooklyn when, as a small boy, he would write down the names of the songs he heard in the weekly chart countdown. Aged 14 he was hired by Billboard to work after school and during the holidays. Later he was headhunted by the record label boss Syd Nathan, who asked Stein, then barely 20, to go on the road with James Brown. "Syd wanted me to keep James out of trouble," he says. "James really liked me. He was very smart, but he was very tough with his band."

Stein co-founded Sire Records in 1966 and by then had started visiting Britain. One night in February 1967 he was in a London club called Middle Earth with Linda Keith, who was dating Keith Richards. Linda Keith told him that a friend of hers was playing - he turned out to be Jimi Hendrix. "What I most remember about that night was that Jimi took his guitar, which I knew belonged to Keith Richards, and broke it into smithereens," Stein says. The guitar did not survive the concert and nor, when she later told her boyfriend, did Linda Keith's relationship with Keith Richards.

On another trip to London Stein met a young EMI staffer, John Reid, who introduced him to his new lover, a musician named Reg Dwight.

Dwight would change his name to Elton John and became a global superstar; he and Stein remained friends. "Elton found staying in hotels annoying," Stein says, "so when he came to New York he would stay in my spare room." On Thanksgiving Day in 1974, before they were due to play Madison Square Garden, Elton and his band visited Stein's apartment with John Lennon, who was to be their special guest at the concert. "Elton was so excited because he idolised John Lennon," Stein says. Everyone ate turkey and pumpkin pie before Lennon asked for silence as he handed Elton a present - it was a gleaming cock ring.

By the mid-Seventies Sire was on its way to becoming one of the music industry's most influential record labels and gaining a reputation for championing punk and new wave - a term that Stein popularised - with acts such as the Ramones and Talking Heads.

Stein's love of British music kept him involved with the music scene across the Atlantic. In the early hours of April 28, 1981, he was flicking through the NME when he came across an article profiling a new English pop group. They seemed worth checking out, but there was a problem: they were playing in Basildon that night and Stein was in New York. "I called up at 6.30 in the morning and asked how much was the Concorde to London for that day," he says. "It was $8,000." Stein flew into Heathrow and was driven to a Basildon nightclub called Sweeneys where he saw the band play. He signed them. Depeche Mode went on to sell more than 100 million records and still fill stadiums around the world.

Two years after signing Depeche Mode, Stein received a phone call from Geoff Travis, who founded the Rough Trade record store and ran a record label of the same name. "He said, 'I have just seen this band and I am so in love with them,' " Stein says. "He then said, 'The only thing I can tell you is that I believe you will love them even more than I do.' " The band were playing in two days' time, so Stein again hopped on Concorde, this time to London, and went to the ICA in London to see the Smiths. Stein describes Morrissey, the band's singer, as "one of the greatest artists I have ever worked with", but he also writes that he "wondered if maybe Morrissey harboured a deep unrequited love for Johnny Marr". What made you write that, I ask. "I do have that feeling," he says. "I could tell. I am pretty sure of it. I could see it and to tell you the truth I felt sorry for both of them because I didn't think Johnny was gay - and he wasn't - and I could feel for Morrissey."

Stein knew he was gay since he was a teenager, but the cultural pressures of his Jewish background - which stressed the importance of marriage and children - led him to date women while also secretly having gay encounters. On his first date with Linda Adler, in early 1971, they ended up sleeping together. He later opened up to her about his sexuality and in Siren Song he describes how, on learning that her boyfriend was gay, Adler "fell into silent shock for about ten minutes ... then erupted into wails of 'No! No! No!', while punching her own head with two clenched fists". All of which makes it surprising that, later that year, the couple married and went on to have two daughters.

Stein also relates a story about a time he met a man with whom he had "the most powerful sex I'd ever experienced". His wife found out, lured the man to a hotel and told him that unless he had sex with her she would tell all of New York that he was gay. The man did what he was told and later she returned to Stein and said, "Do you know who I f***ed, Seymour? I'll give you one guess."

"Linda knew how to get back at me," Stein says. "She did it to hurt me."

Linda was murdered in 2007, bludgeoned to death by her personal assistant. In 2013 Stein's daughter, Samantha, died of brain cancer, aged 40. In his book Stein refers to himself as "the world's most absent father". Do you regret that, I ask. "I have guilt about that," he says. "I could have been a better father. I could have been a better husband, but I had no choice. The main thing in my life was music and this came first."

Stein has been in the music business for more than six decades and still travels the globe in search of the next Morrissey and the next Madonna. Madonna turns 60 next month and when I ask Stein the secret of her longevity, he looks at me as if I have lost my mind. "Isn't it obvious? She is one of the smartest and most talented people. She is very, very, very special."

Many of the artists Stein has signed are rightly recognised as very special, even geniuses, but it takes a certain gift to be able to consistently identify and champion talent. If Stein is a genius, then he is a modest one. "I don't have easily definable skills or talents," he says. "I have ears. I am a fan, I love music and always have."

Siren Song: My Life in Music by Seymour Stein is published by St Martin's Press, £22.99

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Stein at Rough Trade record shop in London
JOONEY WOODWARD FOR THE TIMES
 
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Thats not Damon or Moz but our hero Drama J getting dome lubrication for the :handpointright::guardsman::handpointleft: placement and insertion.
Walk in:oldman:, walk out :handpointright::guardsman::handpointleft:
:cool:
 

scatterkeir

Well-Known Member
I Keep Mine Hidden - I'm not brave enough to show Johnny my bum
Well I Wonder - I wonder how Johnny would react if I showed him my bum
Reel Around The Fountain - maybe if we had a dance and got wet it would be a good moment to casually show him my bum
Unhappy Birthday - it might turn awkward if I show Johnny my bum at his party
Ask - what if he actually wants to see my bum but he's too shy to bring it up
Frankly Mr. Shankly - maybe if we played Billy Liar I could show him my bum in character
Wonderful Woman - maybe I could suggest to Angie that she suggests to him that he asks me for a look at my bum
The Queen Is Dead - if the queen died Johnny would be less likely to be interested in seeing her bum and might be more interested in mine
Unloveable - maybe my bum is so horrible he could never be interested in it
Jeans - do they make my bum look ugly
 
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analysis of "European Me" 'lyrics'::straightface:


Way before we seen it short COME(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
The where that is a bad life, (kissing dudes)
And losing an empty station (where the gay stuff takes place)
We can be safe (no comment lol)from this
Free, free, free (to be gay)
I was outside, now still got a place to go. ('wife' lol figures out about the 45 min smooching and kicks him out):rock:
 

Zoinks

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analysis of "European Me" 'lyrics'::straightface:


Way before we seen it short COME(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
The where that is a bad life, (kissing dudes)
And losing an empty station (where the gay stuff takes place)
We can be safe (no comment lol)from this
Free, free, free (to be gay)
I was outside, now still got a place to go. ('wife' lol figures out about the 45 min smooching and kicks him out):rock:

Geez, even for you, this is incoherent and stupid. And worse, it's not funny at all! Let's work on that, shall we?
 
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Geez, even for you, this is incoherent and stupid. And worse, it's not funny at all! Let's work on that, shall we?



:rolleyes:

You are going to have to email DramaJ about that.o_O


Those DramaJ 'lyrics' are BRUTAL:

Actor Attractor

life of fantasy
I know you can't [?] tonight
Script says if I don't win
Split screen [?] real life
The world screams out for action
I have to ask who I am tonight
Forever we can give to the limit
Forever we can live to the limit
We'll play who we want
I don't [?]
Lost are we in our sea
[?] we will fade away
The world screams out for action
I have to ask who I am tonight
[?] giving
Split screen [?] real life
Forever we can live to the limit
Forever we could give to the limit
No more, no more
No more, no more
No more, no more
No more, no more
Forever we can give to the limit
Forever we can live to the limit
The world screams out for action
I have to ask who I am tonight
Forever we can give to the limit
Forever we can live to the limit
The world screams out for action
I have to ask who I am tonight
I have to ask who I am tonight
I have to ask who I am tonight
Songwriters: Johnny Marr / James D


Even GOOGLE can figure out the lyrics so I did pretty good with the material provided.:rock:
 
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:rolleyes:

You are going to have to email DramaJ about that.o_O


Those DramaJ 'lyrics' are BRUTAL:

Actor Attractor

life of fantasy
I know you can't [?] tonight
Script says if I don't win
Split screen [?] real life
The world screams out for action
I have to ask who I am tonight
Forever we can give to the limit
Forever we can live to the limit
We'll play who we want
I don't [?]
Lost are we in our sea
[?] we will fade away
The world screams out for action
I have to ask who I am tonight
[?] giving
Split screen [?] real life
Forever we can live to the limit
Forever we could give to the limit
No more, no more
No more, no more
No more, no more
No more, no more
Forever we can give to the limit
Forever we can live to the limit
The world screams out for action
I have to ask who I am tonight
Forever we can give to the limit
Forever we can live to the limit
The world screams out for action
I have to ask who I am tonight
I have to ask who I am tonight
I have to ask who I am tonight
Songwriters: Johnny Marr / James D


Even GOOGLE can figure out the lyrics so I did pretty good with the material provided.:rock:

This is actually a GREAT song!!
 

Zoinks

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:rolleyes:

You are going to have to email DramaJ about that.o_O


Those DramaJ 'lyrics' are BRUTAL:

Actor Attractor

life of fantasy
I know you can't [?] tonight
Script says if I don't win
Split screen [?] real life
The world screams out for action
I have to ask who I am tonight
Forever we can give to the limit
Forever we can live to the limit
We'll play who we want
I don't [?]
Lost are we in our sea
[?] we will fade away
The world screams out for action
I have to ask who I am tonight
[?] giving
Split screen [?] real life
Forever we can live to the limit
Forever we could give to the limit
No more, no more
No more, no more
No more, no more
No more, no more
Forever we can give to the limit
Forever we can live to the limit
The world screams out for action
I have to ask who I am tonight
Forever we can give to the limit
Forever we can live to the limit
The world screams out for action
I have to ask who I am tonight
I have to ask who I am tonight
I have to ask who I am tonight
Songwriters: Johnny Marr / James D


Even GOOGLE can figure out the lyrics so I did pretty good with the material provided.:rock:

I'm not talking about his lyrics, I'm talking about you trying to gay-shame someone who is not even gay. I mean, what is Morrissey all about if not standing against that kind of behavior? What are you doing?? I know that you are a fan of his, I think you need to rethink your approach!
 
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What is the hairdresser friends name? Is it maybe Mark?
The hairdresser was called something like Andrew Berry he was around in the early days of The Smiths and he was a resident DJ at the Hacienda nightclub in Manchester. I thought he was friends with both Johnny Marr and Morrissey and I think he knew the late Joe Moss the first Smiths manager. You might be confusing Andrew Berry with Mark Berry ('Bez') the dancer in the Happy Mondays. I don't think Andrew Berry was ever a dancer. I think it was James Maker who was the dancer in the early days of The Smiths.

They said; "Moz's hairdresser friend is also the spitting image of Johnny, facial feature-wise not style-wise."

What does Andrew Berry look like? I think they might mean Morrissey's currant hairdresser/barber.
 
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I'm not talking about his lyrics, I'm talking about you trying to gay-shame someone who is not even gay. I mean, what is Morrissey all about if not standing against that kind of behavior? What are you doing?? I know that you are a fan of his, I think you need to rethink your approach!

:crazy:

Not gay, DramaJ? After slobbering with some dude for over 45 minutes?:rolleyes:
What would he need to add? Tats and a wig?o_O
 

Amy

from the Ice Age to the dole age
The hairdresser was called something like Andrew Berry he was around in the early days of The Smiths and he was a resident DJ at the Hacienda nightclub in Manchester. I thought he was friends with both Johnny Marr and Morrissey and I think he knew the late Joe Moss the first Smiths manager. You might be confusing Andrew Berry with Mark Berry ('Bez') the dancer in the Happy Mondays. I don't think Andrew Berry was ever a dancer. I think it was James Maker who was the dancer in the early days of The Smiths.

They said; "Moz's hairdresser friend is also the spitting image of Johnny, facial feature-wise not style-wise."

What does Andrew Berry look like? I think they might mean Morrissey's currant hairdresser/barber.

I think they were referring to Damon.
 
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The hairdresser was called something like Andrew Berry he was around in the early days of The Smiths and he was a resident DJ at the Hacienda nightclub in Manchester. I thought he was friends with both Johnny Marr and Morrissey and I think he knew the late Joe Moss the first Smiths manager. You might be confusing Andrew Berry with Mark Berry ('Bez') the dancer in the Happy Mondays. I don't think Andrew Berry was ever a dancer. I think it was James Maker who was the dancer in the early days of The Smiths.

They said; "Moz's hairdresser friend is also the spitting image of Johnny, facial feature-wise not style-wise."

What does Andrew Berry look like? I think they might mean Morrissey's currant hairdresser/barber.


He was 'good buddies' with 'non gay':lbf: DramaJ:rock:
 
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He was 'good buddies' with 'non gay':lbf: DramaJ:rock:
Johnny Marr has been happily married to Angie Marr for many years. Angie was Johnny Marr's childhood sweetheart. This would suggest that Johnny Marr is straight (heterosexual). There isn't any real evidence to prove that Johnny Marr is bisexual. Johnny Marr lives in the Manchester area in England but he also still has a place in Portland, Oregon in America.

Mike Joyce has been happily married to Tina Riley-Joyce for many years. Again, this would suggest that Mike Joyce is straight (heterosexual). I think that Tina was Mike Joyce's childhood sweetheart. I used to wonder if Mike Joyce was bisexual because of his interest in David Bowie and Lou Reed. I think David Bowie and Lou Reed were both bisexual. Mike Joyce was probably into David Bowie and Lou Reed because he loved their music and it had nothing to do with their sexuality. Lou Reed wrote some great lyrics. I like Lou Reed's album "Transformer".

I think Damon is Morrissey's hairdresser.
 
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