How Devoted are you to Morrissey?

[Jukebox Jury]

I think if he was exposed as a carnivore that would take some getting over.

Why? Are you only a veggie because Morrissey is?

Having bought flight tickets from the UK to see Morrissey in Boston and Northampton in June, I would be a bit 'narked' if he failed to show.....

Jukebox Jury

 

[duchess_of_fork]

Well, I used to be a huge Bob Dylan "fan"...just..in love with him. Now I can;t stand him. here are some of the things that he did...that just made me not like him, or able to stand him anymore..and if Morrissey did them, I would feel equally disappointed (probably not as much...my love for Moz is...impossible to break)

- He did a Victoria's Secret underwear commercial. It was such a ridiculous thing to endorse...and it seemed like a cry for help.

-Starbucks released some of his CDs.

-He had the Foo Fighters open his tour...blaaaah! It seemed like the label was trying to make him that much more available to youngsters...trying to reinvent him at the age of 65...And it's not just the Foo Fighters...he tried to completely immerse himself in the pop culture, which seemed really ridiuclous and money savy.

-He did not enjoy being on stage. Watching him sing his songs one got the impression that he'd rather be anywhere else than on stage. He was regurgitating his songs.

-The newest album was terrible. Just bad...he must be lyrically drained when he had to name check Alicia Keys in his songs...

-Contemplated involvment with American Idol.

-Openly admitted that his songs really have no meaning...that he is just good at playing around with words.


etc etc etc
so I think that if Morrissey said "it was all a lie" and did something like the stuff above...I would certainly not have as much respect as I have for him now. I think that it is truly remarkable that a person manages to stay as pure and individual as he did, in such a rotten industry.

 

[WinkWink]

Well, I used to be a huge Bob Dylan "fan"...just..in love with him. Now I can;t stand him. here are some of the things that he did...that just made me not like him, or able to stand him anymore..and if Morrissey did them, I would feel equally disappointed (probably not as much...my love for Moz is...impossible to break)

- He did a Victoria's Secret underwear commercial. It was such a ridiculous thing to endorse...and it seemed like a cry for help.

-Starbucks released some of his CDs.

-He had the Foo Fighters open his tour...blaaaah! It seemed like the label was trying to make him that much more available to youngsters...trying to reinvent him at the age of 65...And it's not just the Foo Fighters...he tried to completely immerse himself in the pop culture, which seemed really ridiuclous and money savy.

-He did not enjoy being on stage. Watching him sing his songs one got the impression that he'd rather be anywhere else than on stage. He was regurgitating his songs.

-The newest album was terrible. Just bad...he must be lyrically drained when he had to name check Alicia Keys in his songs...

-Contemplated involvment with American Idol.

-Openly admitted that his songs really have no meaning...that he is just good at playing around with words.


etc etc etc
so I think that if Morrissey said "it was all a lie" and did something like the stuff above...I would certainly not have as much respect as I have for him now. I think that it is truly remarkable that a person manages to stay as pure and individual as he did, in such a rotten industry.

Bob Dylan was always a huge asshole. Much bigger than morrissey ever was.

though i do like early Dylan music.

 

[Oscar Wilde]

Well, I used to be a huge Bob Dylan "fan"...just..in love with him. Now I can;t stand him. here are some of the things that he did...that just made me not like him, or able to stand him anymore..

- He did a Victoria's Secret underwear commercial. It was such a ridiculous thing to endorse...and it seemed like a cry for help.

In a 1965 press conference, Dylan was asked if he would ever endorse anything. He said yes, "ladies undergarments". 40 years later, he was true to his word. I thought it was wonderfully funny and creepy, which is what Dylan has strived for in recent years...

-Starbucks released some of his CDs.

He released only one, and I will grant you this is regrettable.

-He had the Foo Fighters open his tour...blaaaah! It seemed like the label was trying to make him that much more available to youngsters...trying to reinvent him at the age of 65...And it's not just the Foo Fighters...he tried to completely immerse himself in the pop culture, which seemed really ridiuclous and money savy.

With the exception of late 90's tours which featured the likes of Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison, Paul Simon, and recent tours with Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard opening for him, Dylan has consistently showcased younger rock bands as his opening acts throughout the Never Ending Tour. The Pogues, Beck, Ani DiFranco, Dave Mathews Band, PJ Harvey, Dinasour JR, etc have opened portions of the NET. As for the iPod commercial, they helped him become the oldest living artist to have a Number One album on the American charts. Dylan wants to sell albums. As does everybody who takes the time to make one. You don't think Morrissey enjoys the success of a Number One album?

-He did not enjoy being on stage. Watching him sing his songs one got the impression that he'd rather be anywhere else than on stage. He was regurgitating his songs.

He's been on the same tour for 19 years. One would think he has enough money, and the reason he still performs is because there's nowhere else he's rather be. He has said in countless interviews that his reason for touring is because he still enjoys it, and feels a calling to do so. And you say regurgitation, many say reinventing.

-The newest album was terrible. Just bad...he must be lyrically drained when he had to name check Alicia Keys in his songs...

True, Modern Times is mediocre at best, but the same is true for Ringleader of the Tormentors. Truthfully, both albums feature couplets that are lyrically drained. But for Dylan, after 45 albums, this is to be expected.

-Contemplated involvment with American Idol.

This was a rumor that was never substantiated. According to reports, Cowell wanted Dylan, Dylan's management refused, and Cowell retorted by slamming Dylan in the press.

-Openly admitted that his songs really have no meaning...that he is just good at playing around with words.

This is not true, and you know it. As recently as his 60 Minutes interview, he admitted to be in awe of the brilliance of some of the songs he's written. Do you really believe that Dylan would admit that his early protest songs, his brilliant gospel material, or even his recent stuff, has no meaning? What he's always said is that it's not up to him to find meaning in his songs. And that he refuses to explain what they mean.

It's a shame that you turned your back on one of the most brilliant, awe inspring, and timeless artists of our time. Especially for the lame reasons you gave...

 

[Tbevie]

Why? Are you only a veggie because Morrissey is?

Well no, but that's not what I meant. If Morrissey secretly eat meat then that would obviously mean that he had been lying for over 20 years. I would find it very difficult, if not impossible to respect him again after that.


But like I said it’s never going to happen anyway.

 

[lottie]

I’ve been really into artists in the past and thought I’d never change the way I felt about them, but then they’d alter in some way- decide to change their music style like they felt they’d outgrown their audience/ lose their inspiration and start producing mediocre middle-ground drivel/ have personal problems. Which inevitably led to me feeling disillusioned to say the least. It surprised me that that could happen, how such devotion and admiration could suddenly start to wane and turn to ambivalence, or even dislike. I thought I’d never change my mind about them and it upset me at the time… mind you, maybe it’s how you change as well as how they change. I know I was looking for an intelligent voice when I stumbled across Morrissey, it was perfect timing somehow.

So yeah, the musical output is pretty central to my passion for an artist, but with someone like Morrissey for whom I have a certain personal investment in, other events would affect how I felt about him. Like if he changed his lifestyle completely or did something morally dubious… but I can’t see any of that happening. That’s one of the reason’s I admire him so much- the things he said when he was 25 he still lives up to, so many people state one thing one year and the next they go and do the opposite. So (maybe rather dangerously), I feel safe in that he’ll remain true to himself and that he is honest in what he says, and so long as he continues to be that way, he’ll have my faith and trust.

well said.
And i know what you mean about other artists, but then again ive never admired/been into someone as much as i have with Moz.

The only thing that would turn me away from him is if he were to become a carnivore.
but as has been said in the above quote, he is true to himself and shall remain that way as some of us can.

 

[DAnn Coulter]

oh, ...collaborating with Ashlee Simpson, yeah. good thing Bob took care of that one.

LOL, BoBert has become a complete joke, even my friend who loves The Cure is totally disappointed with BoBert, she was horrified when I let her know about the Ash, Pete, Bobert connection.

Moz could be caught having sex with George Bush and I'd still love him and his music, anything but a collaboration with an untalented little bitch like Ashlee.

 

[duchess_of_fork]

- He did a Victoria's Secret underwear commercial. It was such a ridiculous thing to endorse...and it seemed like a cry for help.

In a 1965 press conference, Dylan was asked if he would ever endorse anything. He said yes, "ladies undergarments". 40 years later, he was true to his word. I thought it was wonderfully funny and creepy, which is what Dylan has strived for in recent years...

-Starbucks released some of his CDs.

He released only one, and I will grant you this is regrettable.

-He had the Foo Fighters open his tour...blaaaah! It seemed like the label was trying to make him that much more available to youngsters...trying to reinvent him at the age of 65...And it's not just the Foo Fighters...he tried to completely immerse himself in the pop culture, which seemed really ridiuclous and money savy.

With the exception of late 90's tours which featured the likes of Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison, Paul Simon, and recent tours with Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard opening for him, Dylan has consistently showcased younger rock bands as his opening acts throughout the Never Ending Tour. The Pogues, Beck, Ani DiFranco, Dave Mathews Band, PJ Harvey, Dinasour JR, etc have opened portions of the NET. As for the iPod commercial, they helped him become the oldest living artist to have a Number One album on the American charts. Dylan wants to sell albums. As does everybody who takes the time to make one. You don't think Morrissey enjoys the success of a Number One album?

-He did not enjoy being on stage. Watching him sing his songs one got the impression that he'd rather be anywhere else than on stage. He was regurgitating his songs.

He's been on the same tour for 19 years. One would think he has enough money, and the reason he still performs is because there's nowhere else he's rather be. He has said in countless interviews that his reason for touring is because he still enjoys it, and feels a calling to do so. And you say regurgitation, many say reinventing.

-The newest album was terrible. Just bad...he must be lyrically drained when he had to name check Alicia Keys in his songs...

True, Modern Times is mediocre at best, but the same is true for Ringleader of the Tormentors. Truthfully, both albums feature couplets that are lyrically drained. But for Dylan, after 45 albums, this is to be expected.

-Contemplated involvment with American Idol.

This was a rumor that was never substantiated. According to reports, Cowell wanted Dylan, Dylan's management refused, and Cowell retorted by slamming Dylan in the press.

-Openly admitted that his songs really have no meaning...that he is just good at playing around with words.

This is not true, and you know it. As recently as his 60 Minutes interview, he admitted to be in awe of the brilliance of some of the songs he's written. Do you really believe that Dylan would admit that his early protest songs, his brilliant gospel material, or even his recent stuff, has no meaning? What he's always said is that it's not up to him to find meaning in his songs. And that he refuses to explain what they mean.

It's a shame that you turned your back on one of the most brilliant, awe inspring, and timeless artists of our time. Especially for the lame reasons you gave...

All fo your points are so arguable, as are mine. I, through my own experience, realized that Dylan's "brilliance" isn't something that suits me and my values.

Maybe you should refer back to when Dylan was "teaching" the Beatles how to write lyrics...by giving them pot and telling them that "anything" goes, no matter how senseless it is. Highway 61 is amazing, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING!!!!!!!! He admits it himself. So many times he said "I don't know what it means, because to me, it means nothing". I respect his honesty, but it still doesn't suit me.

We weren't talking about the opening acts that he had back when I had respect for him, but what made me lose respect for him all together.

A couple of divorces, many a-illegitemate children etc have squeezed Bobby D dry...he doesn't tour because he likes it. I don't feel him. I stood front row during his set list as he rambled through it, looked like he nearly fell asleep leaning against his key board, and then wabbled off stage without ever thanking the audience, acknowledging the audience...it's not too much to ask for. I hear he's playing Casino Rama now...how degrading.

You were talking about Dylan as a whole, and of course, he was revolutionary when he first came out. But is he now? No! Did he leave before he started tarnishing his reputation and generally screwing up his name? No! He's like the Rolling Stones....doesn't know WHEN it's time to say "you've been a great audience for 30 years, and instead of going downhill, I leave here and now so you may remember me at the height of my career".

No..they keep going and going until they've recycled everything they can, and until all of the reputation they have formed over the years goes down the drain.

I am sort of embarrassed to say that I once was a huge Dylan admirer...because people automatically mention his Vicoria's Secret commercial (the interview you're talking about was dug up from years of sitting in the dust, and it wasn't even the original reason for doing the commercial. Oh, and then Victorias Secret even released a Dylan album..complimentary with the purchase of thongs and push up bras...how classy) or something equally sad like that.

Was, isn't. We're talking about what Moz would have to do in order not to be liked by us. This is what Dylan did while I was an admirer, and this is what made me have very little respect for what he has become.

 

[nobody's hero]

LOL, BoBert has become a complete joke, even my friend who loves The Cure is totally disappointed with BoBert, she was horrified when I let her know about the Ash, Pete, Bobert connection.

Moz could be caught having sex with George Bush and I'd still love him and his music, anything but a collaboration with an untalented little bitch like Ashlee.

I used to be a big Cure fan as well, but the latest album is quite bad compared with the other great things they have done...and things like that duet doesn't help it at all

 

[Oscar Wilde]

All fo your points are so arguable, as are mine. I, through my own experience, realized that Dylan's "brilliance" isn't something that suits me and my values.

The difference is your points are based on heresay and things you made up - never once has he said that his songs mean nothing in the concrete way you made up words for him, you've misinterpreted his 'marijuana' meeting with the Beatles, nor does he have any illegitimate children that cause him to stay on the road. If Casino Rama is degrading, what in hell is a 700 seat casino show in Sparks, NV? Is Dylan revolutionary now? Absolutely not. But then again, there is nobody making revolutionary music, nor has anybody done so in many, many years. I can respect some of your opinions, but others are nonsense. It's all about the music, or it should be. Most of your reasons for not likeing Dylan have nothing to do with his recorded efforts. It seems like you're searching for an idol more than great music.

 

[vAndreav]

I'm afraid I would like him more if he did something really disastrous, criminal or whatever. I saw the (real) light while watching The Youngest... video, so you cannot really blame me, well?

ha, i know what you mean . I don't think I'd ever stop listening to him completely, no matter what happened, because i'll always love his music, but if he did something like child molestation, well i'd really be disgusted with him and not support him

 

[DAnn Coulter]

Bob Dylan is not worth arguing about

 

[suparni]

Why? Are you only a veggie because Morrissey is?

Having bought flight tickets from the UK to see Morrissey in Boston and Northampton in June, I would be a bit 'narked' if he failed to show.....

Jukebox Jury

hhahaha! I remember when that happened to me! I had waited in line and secured tickets to the Carnagie Hall shows in NYC. I lived on West 57th Street, about a block from Carnagie Hall at the time. I recall coming up out of the subway and passing the front glass doors of the venue only to see a posted notice "MORRISSEY HAS CANCELED THE SEPTEMBER ?? PERFORMANCE REFUNDS AVAILABLE..." I forget the exact date but I know it was a day or two off from my birthday! furthermore I was supposed to go with a that first teenage love person who is drifting and not emotionally available and probably never going to see you again only you bought the tickets before he really started to "go" -
I was shattered. I took the sign off the door and hung it next to my bed so as to completely submerge myself into the disapointment.
Never did spend another full evening with that first love again...
and of course... I forgave Morrissey... for here I am... never really blamed him... it almost HAD to happen that way given my life at the time.
but damn that would have been a good show.

 

[Gigi]

There are already many reasons why I know I shouldn't like him anymore...but I can't help it.

 

[nobody's hero]

There are already many reasons why I know I shouldn't like him anymore...but I can't help it.

Will you name some of them?

 

[Kumo]

I have lived through his Mexican fetish, I can live through anything...

Kumo

 

[Work within the law]

I have lived through his Mexican fetish, I can live through anything...

Kumo

Except, it seems, being decent.

 

[Work within the law]

With the exception of late 90's tours which featured the likes of Joni Mitchell, Van Morrison, Paul Simon, and recent tours with Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard opening for him, Dylan has consistently showcased younger rock bands as his opening acts throughout the Never Ending Tour. The Pogues, Beck, Ani DiFranco, Dave Mathews Band, PJ Harvey, Dinasour JR, etc have opened portions of the NET.

When did PJ Harvey open for Bob? I googled around a bit, and couldn't find any mention of it.

 

[nugz]

LOL, BoBert has become a complete joke, even my friend who loves The Cure is totally disappointed with BoBert, she was horrified when I let her know about the Ash, Pete, Bobert connection.

Moz could be caught having sex with George Bush and I'd still love him and his music, anything but a collaboration with an untalented little bitch like Ashlee.

haha, BoBert! i love it.

sex with George Bush, haha, oh no. lolerz.

 

[Oscar Wilde]

When did PJ Harvey open for Bob? I googled around a bit, and couldn't find any mention of it.

I saw him at the LA Palladium in 95, and PJ Harvey opened for him. In fact, she was playing a solo show elsewhere in LA that night, and postponed the show til a later time so she could open for Dylan...