Did Morrissey's anti-Chinese racism have anything to do with Tseng getting booted?

Re: Did Morrissey's anti-Chinese racism have anything to do with Tseng getting booted

Absolute troll post this thread in general.
Morrissey expressed his fondness for Mel T, who was of Asian descent.
Morrissey's exasperation/hatred for David T has nothing to do with his racial heritage.
Ridiculous.

I love being called a "troll" by someone with a post count of "1". LOL! Who's the troll?

Anyway, less than a year ago, the Morrissey-endorsed group Love Music Hate Racism said this:

A spokesman for Love Music Hate Racism, which received a donation of £28,000 from the singer in 2008 after his apparently anti-immigration comments made in music magazine NME convulsed the media, said it would be unable to accept support from Morrissey again if he did not rescind or dispute today's comments.

"It really is just crude racism," said Martin Smith. "When you start using language like 'subspecies', you are entering into dark and murky water. I don't think we would, or could, ask him to come back after that."

Apparently this donation was, in part, some sort of media manipulation game to score a point against the NME, because the Morrissey's press release said:

Morrissey commented, "This is a historic event spreading an important, anti-racist, message so it must be allowed to go ahead. Love Music Hate Racism got in touch and explained that the NME had pulled support, possibly as a result of their association with me, and asked if I could help as they had not been able to replace them."

The NME replied:

Morrissey claimed that the NME was the organisation which had pulled out of backing tomorrow’s event. Organisers said Morrissey had asked his management, booking agency and promoters to help make up the deficit.

However an NME spokesman last night said the company was not involved in the concert.

He said: "While supporting Love Music Hate Racism on a number of fronts in the last year – including giving away a themed covermounted CD album – NME had no planned commercial participation in this weekend’s Carnival. Of course NME will have an editorial presence at the event and plans to report on it in the usual way.”

I dunno. Whatever was going on there in the war between Morrissey and the NME, I personally didn't find Morrissey's comments about immigration to be racist. I disagreed with them, but didn't feel it was racism.

Sadly, he followed that up with some clearly racist remarks about Chinese people.

And, just months later, Morrissey is calling for some sort of Great Purge against Morrissey-Solo, has security hunt down and eject David Tseng, and issues a lifetime ban on David Tseng. It makes you wonder if a contributing factor flows from Morrissey's anti-Chinese racism.

When somebody is known to spew racist things about a group ("You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies" -- Morrissey) and then treats a member of that group in an over-the-top, unfair, irrational, and ruthless fashion, it might be more than a coincidence.
 
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When somebody is known to spew racist things about a group ("You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies" -- Morrissey) and then treats a member of that group in an over-the-top, unfair, irrational, and ruthless fashion, it might be more than a coincidence.

I haven't seen Morrissey's camp actually cite any specific basis for the lifetime ban. They claim he caused "intentional distress". Let's hear the examples.

We won't hear them because they'd be laughable ("Boz didn't like what a few folks had posted about the stunning new song 'The Kid's A Looker', and Tseng didn't delete those comments!!").

There's nothing to cite except that they don't like some things third parties have posted on the site's forums.

The most critical commentary I've ever seen from Tseng about Morrissey was this, posted inconspicuously on page 3 below a news item (and note that it was in a thread where people wondered if Morrissey's remarks about the Chinese would be the end of Solo):

Re:Moz-solo 1997-2010 RIP
I agree with what others have said about the choice of wording. Yes, he surely meant the Chinese government's policies but as the Guardian suggested, the phrasing appears to be 'deliberately provocative'. It's been argued PETA has that kind of reputation and that seems to be the route Morrissey has taken.

I see similarities with the boycott on Canada from a couple years ago announced before the Ringleaders tour a couple years ago. How would this have sounded? 'Did you see the thing on the news about their treatment of animals and animal welfare? Absolutely horrific. You can't help but feel that the Canadians are a subspecies'.

I was born and raised in the US but am of Chinese heritage and am sometimes referred to as 'Chinese'. 'Chinese' could be referring to the country but it's not the exact same as if it were 'Canadians' it also it could refer to nationality. If we take his words at face value, am I considered a subspecies? He likely thinks that for other reasons regarding the site but that is a different topic. Regardless, I never thought of stopping the site as the original poster suggested.

I agree that the animal abuse in China is certainly something to be examined but it is not a new issue. I saw a documentary around 10 years ago which still has a powerful image in my mind that showed a video of a cat being thrown in boiling water in China. The narrator made a comment during the scene which also lingered in my mind however. He said words to the effect 'some would say it is the westerners who are hypocritical in their stance on animal rights.' Cats and dogs are domesticated in the western world but our treatment of cows, pigs, chickens, etc. isn't exactly stellar. But it's easy to get upset at China because I love my pet cats and that video was so awful.

I prefer to go the more rational route, for example I am reading a book
"The China Study" [amazon.com] a co-worker recommended. The book details a long study (done in China, of all places) that has detailed evidence that an animal-based diet greatly increases likelihood of diseases.

Reading comments on this site and the Guardian site has been interesting so if the goal was to be talked about it worked. I wish it could be more about his music, but nowadays if a casual fan brings up Morrissey it is usually along the lines of '...I just read an article that he's racist'. After being so sensitive to the issue in the recent past I am surprised it happened again.

Tseng doesn't sound like a poisonous man. Morrissey does!
 
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Hitler was extremely intelligent too, and look what he did.

Intelligence alone is not what makes or breaks a racist...you must factor in emotions, experiences, upbringing, social phobias...all of that.

There are idiots and geniuses on both sides of the race issue. Don't let him off the hook so easily.

Read between the lines of lyrics and interviews and firsthand anecdotes over many, many years and wonder if you can definitively clear him of all suspicion.

The "Jewboy" story regarding Spencer says it all.


Banning David Tseng from all future concerts is unnecessary and the ‘f*** Morrissey-solo’ shirts were stupid. But to say he thew the guy out of the concert because of his race takes this to another level and it’s ridiculous.

At this point it seems like we're all just monkeys throwing our shit at each other and nothing ever gets solved. I just want this to pass.
 
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At this point it seems like we're all just monkeys throwing our shit at each other and nothing ever gets solved. I just want this to pass.

As I once said to someone who claimed to be ill after eating at White Castle, "This too shall pass."

Literally.
 
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Theo, Push off twit. Don't go around taking quotes out of context and trying to create some story that isn't there.
 
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He once posted on True-To-You that he admires people who send mail bombs to the family residences of scientists working on cures for AIDS and cancer. Disgusting. That should be brought up in a future thread about Morrissey's fascist mentality.

How does I support the efforts of the Animal Rights Militia in England and I understand why fur-farmers and so-called laboratory scientists are repaid with violence
translate to I admire people who send mail bombs to the families of scientists working to cure cancer and AIDS? I can tell you enjoy twisting words.
 
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Since when was it racist?
 
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Excuse me? I think it's Morrissey who gotten carried away. Ten years ago, Morrissey-Solo was promoted in the liner notes to "The Best of Morrissey". I'm trying to figure out what big crime David Tseng committed that today causes him to get escorted out of shows by security. Since Morrissey has stated in world-wide newspapers that he considers the Chinese to be a "subspecies"/sub-human, might that have something to do with it?

Carried away by noticing that a singer who spewed anti-Chinese racism in newspapers is now having Chinese fans booted from gigs?

Maybe the ever-fatter Boz Boorer can chime in on this one at his Facebook wall. BTW, why is Boz so fat if he has such a pure and holy vegetarian diet? Hey you, Boz, you big fat pig! Sorry some of us didn't like the new songs because they SUCK. I guess you thought they'd set the world on fire. LOL!

Someone should start a thread about that lunatic Julia Riley and why Morrissey encourages her to be such a pathetic worshipper.

I like you :)
Hmm, are you saying Morrissey hates DavidT just because he put the article on here? :o
....your probably right! he probably hates him for many reasons. I think he hates anyone who says anything negative....coming from Mr f***ing Misery himself!

How come Morrissey hates Pete Burns for wearing a monkey fur coat, but still likes Lady Gaga even when she wore a meat outfit for no f***ing reason? aggghhh
 
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How does I support the efforts of the Animal Rights Militia in England and I understand why fur-farmers and so-called laboratory scientists are repaid with violence
translate to I admire people who send mail bombs to the families of scientists working to cure cancer and AIDS? I can tell you enjoy twisting words.

You can whitewash it if it makes you feel better, but he said what he said. He admires "Animal Rights Militia" style terrorist violence on laboratory scientists. And this was not just off the top of his head. He wrote it out and submitted it to Julia's site.

His treatment of Tseng is just one more example of the fascist mentality that caused him to cheer on those who commit terrorist style violence againt scientists in the name of animal rights. There are many examples of that mentality from him.
 
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Read between the lines of lyrics and interviews and firsthand anecdotes over many, many years and wonder if you can definitively clear him of all suspicion.

The "Jewboy" story regarding Spencer says it all.

What actually happened here?

Hey David.. I think you are a totally stand up guy... I've known you for many years now & you have done so MUCH for Morrissey & KEEPING his Career ALIVE. The online LOVE started with Morrissey-Solo. I know on days like this.. you probably ask yourself why you keep the site going. No one could do this job.. like you. You are a very KIND person & I really wish you all the best. I am really PISSED OFF at Morrissey for acting like a TOTAL OLD ASS MAN & a JERK. I have NEVER known for him to ACT like this in such a VILE way....against a fan. You have supported him.. when NO ONE ELSE ONLINE WAS.. & IF THEY WERE.. IT WAS TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF HIM! EWWW.. He maybe be talented... but his common sense is for shit these days... & SO IS HIS MUSIC!! I S A I D IT MOZ!! Are you going to BAN ALL OF US FANS that have LOVED YOUR MUSIC FROM THE START! CRAP IS CRAP.. & YOUR WRITING LATELY SUCKS!!! HATE IT!! THROWING IT INTO THE FIRE!! BLAH!! BORING!! BLEH!!! YOU WANT SOME INSPIRATION.. DRAW FROM THIS!! YOU ARE CAUSING A WAR BETWEEN YOUR FANS & YOU... GOOD WAY OF STARTING IT... BECAUSE IT HAS BEGAN!!!

Calm down, dear.
 
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