Did Morrissey's anti-Chinese racism have anything to do with Tseng getting booted?

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Morrissey reignites racism row by calling Chinese a 'subspecies'

Described by one high court judge as "devious, truculent and unreliable", the former Smiths frontman is no stranger to controversy and criticism. But tomorrow he reignites a simmering row about his views on race in an interview in Guardian Weekend magazine, in which he describes Chinese people as a "subspecies"....

"You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies." -- Morrissey, 2010
 
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Let's not get carried away.
 
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Morrissey reignites racism row by calling Chinese a 'subspecies'



"You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies." -- Morrissey, 2010

This statement was made in the context of animal mistreatment. It's unfair to extrapolate into other situations. It also seems clear he was speaking with regard to the people of China, not people who are ethnically Chinese. He should have chosen his words as carefully as he (used to) write songs.
 
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Let's not get carried away.

Excuse me? I think it's Morrissey who gotten carried away. Ten years ago, Morrissey-Solo was promoted in the liner notes to "The Best of Morrissey". I'm trying to figure out what big crime David Tseng committed that today causes him to get escorted out of shows by security. Since Morrissey has stated in world-wide newspapers that he considers the Chinese to be a "subspecies"/sub-human, might that have something to do with it?

Carried away by noticing that a singer who spewed anti-Chinese racism in newspapers is now having Chinese fans booted from gigs?

Maybe the ever-fatter Boz Boorer can chime in on this one at his Facebook wall. BTW, why is Boz so fat if he has such a pure and holy vegetarian diet? Hey you, Boz, you big fat pig! Sorry some of us didn't like the new songs because they SUCK. I guess you thought they'd set the world on fire. LOL!

Someone should start a thread about that lunatic Julia Riley and why Morrissey encourages her to be such a pathetic worshipper.
 
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Excuse me? I think it's Morrissey who got carried away. Ten years ago, Morrissey-Solo was promoted in the liner notes to "The Best of Morrissey". I'm trying to figure out what big crime David Tseng committed that today causes him to get escorted out of shows by security. Since Morrissey has stated in world-wide newspapers that he considers the Chinese to be a "subspecies"/sub-human, might that have something to do with it?

Carried away by noticing that a singer who spewed anti-Chinese racism in newspapers is now having Chinese fans booted from gigs?

Maybe the ever-fatter Boz Boorer can chime in on this one at his Facebook wall. BTW, why is Boz so fat if he has such a pure and holy vegetarian diet? Hey you, Boz, you big fat pig! Sorry some of us didn't like the new songs because they SUCK. I guess you thought they'd set the world on fire. LOL!

Someone should start a thread about that lunatic Julia Riley and why Morrissey encourages her to be such a pathetic worshipper.

First of all, I'm totally opposed to what Morrissey did with Tseng at the show. I'm just saying I wouldn't attach it to the subspecies comment. I can't believe that you or anyone else would think that banning David was racially motivated.

Secondly, was The Best Of Morrissey actually put together by him? I know that he was only peripherally involved, if at all, with some of those later compilations. Maybe he didn't authorize M-Solo being mentioned in there.

None of this is even the point. What Morrissey did tonight was childish, petty, and hurtful on a frighteningly obscene level.
 
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This statement was made in the context of animal mistreatment. It's unfair to extrapolate into other situations. It also seems clear he was speaking with regard to the people of China, not people who are ethnically Chinese. He should have chosen his words as carefully as he (used to) write songs.

That's bullshit. Morrissey knows what he said and he never issued an apology. Morrissey always claims that interviewers are so stupid and he's so intellectual. He knows very well what he said. He called the Chinese as a whole group a "subspecies" below the rest of the human race, and he has left that statement standing.


I'm calling out Morrissey. This is a guy who makes a big fit at a music festival because he smelled meat being cooked, yet he sat day after day at the Cat & Fiddle restaurant in Southern CA where all kinds of meat was being cooked. He was there so often they even used his name on their web-site!

In one interview Morrissey said this:

"We know you like Gucci," I said. And Morrissey nodded, "Oh yes," with a smile, "Gucci is very nice."

Why wasn't Tom Ford a subspecies? About Gucci from PETA:
Seal boots, Gucci? Come on, guys. Did you think that just because you were selling them in Russia, we wouldn’t notice?

Morrissey apparently is currently fond of Angelo Galasso shirts.

Hmm:

The Financial Times may have once described him as "this generation's most inventive image maker", but if your idea of style is ultra-minimal, then Angelo Galasso is probably not your man. Nor will PETA members be his biggest fans, but the Italian king of extravagance is perfectly happy with that. He makes no bones about being very much the Maximus of the fashion arena.

From his London flagship store next door to Harrods, Galasso supplies the international crowd, from Macau to Moscow and Manchester, who call London home and aren't fazed by paying up to £5,000 for a pair of jeans, as long as some mink or crocodile is involved in the process. And there are plenty of men who want exactly that.

That's the designer of choice for the self-righteous singer?
 
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First of all, I'm totally opposed to what Morrissey did with Tseng at the show. I'm just saying I wouldn't attach it to the subspecies comment. I can't believe that you or anyone else would think that banning David was racially motivated.

David has posted that he was personally offended by the subspecies remark. Why wouldn't he be?

Secondly, was The Best Of Morrissey actually put together by him? I know that he was only peripherally involved, if at all, with some of those later compilations. Maybe he didn't authorize M-Solo being mentioned in there.

Well, maybe it's true that Morrissey paid no attention to the details of yet another exploitation of his fans for yet another compilation album (something he attacked on "Strangeways Here We Come"). But he must have had SOME involvement with the liner notes, since they state: "Know what Morrissey likes? These other fine collections from Rhino, and he suggests you check them out!"

And the Amazon description states:
"'Best,' in this instance, means not most popular but most characteristic. This American greatest-hits set is very different from its British equivalent, Suedehead, omitting half of his U.K. chart singles in favor of a curious lineup of high-aesthetic album tracks and B-sides, reportedly picked by the Moz himself."

I believe Morrissey used to like this web site. What happened after that was that Morrissey-Solo posted a news item Morrissey didn't like, and he had his lawyers fire off threatening letters that had no basis. And Morrissey has had a grudge ever since.

But isn't it really lame for him to have security remove David from a gig? I really do wonder if Morrissey's ant-Chinese feelings have something to do with it. David Bret's blog put a lot of emphasis on Tseng's ethnicity when Bret was attacking this site, and David Bret claimed that Morrissey would agree with his attacks on this site (Bret said he hung out with Morrissey's people and knows how they feel). Shortly thereafter, Morrissey was wearing a "f*** Morrissey-Solo" t-shirt.
 
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I see that in the "Off Topic" section of this forum a person created the screenname "Stoney Hando" to post a thread backing Morrissey.

The thread is MORRISSEY vs. David "SOLOW" Tseng - I CHOOSE MORRISSEY!

"Stoney Hando" is a racist skinhead character in the Australian movie Romper Stomper. In the film, the character likes to violently attack Asian immigrants, because in his opinion they don't belong there.

Morrissey is a big fan of that movie, once signed a press release under the name "Stoney Hando", and took a line from the movie - "this is not your country" - as a song title. And it's a powerful movie. But, sometimes we have to wonder if Morrissey likes that movie for the wrong reasons, given his issues with race over the years. And we can see the reason that fan is using the name, in the wake of Morrissey's actions.

So, Morrissey's Nazi treatment of Tseng is generating racism.

For another example, this was just posted by one of Morrissey's fans elsewhere on the site:

It is no news to me that Moz dislikes orientals for whatever reason. I can understand the mans thinking when an oriental does things to him that he dislikes and that really pushes Moz over the edge. I thought all orientals were smart and great at maths and were into slow boring things and kept quiet while planning to jump off a tall building.

BTW, did Morrissey and the band ever give David Tseng his refund, as they should? Perhaps one of Boz Boorer's butt-lickers should ask Boz over on his Facebook wall.
 
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More from that other thread:

Pathetic behaviour from Morrissey.

"For a broad historical view of what Moz is and how he "rules", examine Gaddafi or Mubarak, and see if you can spot any difference."

Really, you are now becoming a "silly old man" with your misguided frilly logo-branded shirts. Only a last minute U-turn prompted, I guess, by the ridicule hurled from these very pages, saved our hero from looking a prize fool in his glitter heels: - and its obvious Moz was involved with those ridiculous shoes all along because of the designer/Linder connection.

Absolutely agree. He probably did an about turn when he saw those ridiculous shoes for real. As for the shirts, don't get me going... I honestly don't know how he has got the the gall to moralise about William and Kate (I personally can't stand their inane grinning mushes) when he is patronising a tailor that uses mink and exotic skins to trim their gaudy clothing for mega rich, fat, old men. He's kept very quiet about that! How can he blather on about the Queen and bearskin, he's a bloody hypocrite. .All us 'little people' just get on with doing the best that we can. He is one of the most famous vegetarians in the world and could do so much better. I have no respect at all for him anymore.

Yeah, it's thanks to this web-site (Morrissey's camp uses this web site!) that those hideous Morrissey by DS boots were stopped.

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LOL!!!

Julia didn't tell us if he's sorry about the shirts.
 
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In one interview Morrissey said this:

"We know you like Gucci," I said. And Morrissey nodded, "Oh yes," with a smile, "Gucci is very nice."

This Gucci talk was not in an interview.
This was taken from a conversation a friend and I had with Morrissey in April of 2003.
 
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This Gucci talk was not in an interview.
This was taken from a conversation a friend and I had with Morrissey in April of 2003.

What game are you playing, man? A documented conversation would be the same as an interview.

Are you suggesting Morrissey wasn't a fan of Gucci? He wore Gucci shirts, shoes, and fragrances. The "frink" girls at the other site certainly know that. You certainly knew that, too, which is why you said, "We know you like Gucci".

Oh, here's from a chat transcript with Morrissey done by KROQ:

re: fave designer,
I'm a Gucci baby

That was saved for history by Morrissey-Solo.com. What a handy website! :)

He was a Gucci baby, in his own words.

Today he's an Angelo Galasso baby.

From his London flagship store next door to Harrods, Galasso supplies the international crowd, from Macau to Moscow and Manchester, who call London home and aren't fazed by paying up to £5,000 for a pair of jeans, as long as some mink or crocodile is involved in the process. And there are plenty of men who want exactly that.

LOL! Oooookay, Morrissey!

I bring this up because Morrissey is just about the most self-righteous ass-clown when it comes to other people's tastes. He once stated he liked the writer Maureen O'Dowd...until he found out she *gasp* ate some fried chicken. He once posted on True-To-You that he admires people who send mail bombs to the family residences of scientists working on cures for AIDS and cancer. Disgusting. That should be brought up in a future thread about Morrissey's fascist mentality.
 
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He once posted on True-To-You that he admires people who send mail bombs to the family residences of scientists working on cures for AIDS and cancer. Disgusting. That should be brought up in a future thread about Morrissey's fascist mentality.

Do you have a link? That particular outburst definitely passed me by. :eek:
 
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Do you have a link? That particular outburst definitely passed me by. :eek:

I don't really get why you all act like you know nothing about Morrissey that occurred before last week? This particular outburst by Morrissey was covered in the press.

Here, I'll go to Julia's lame-ass site and dig it up for you. Give me a few minutes.
 
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I don't really get why you all act like you know nothing about Morrissey that occurred before last week? This particular outburst by Morrissey was covered in the press.

Since 2006 I've been a relatively casual fan and haven't kept tabs on things too much, admittedly. I lurk here occasionally and had an account back around You Are The Quarry days, but basically have re-registered as there's a lot to discuss lately and good points to be made. It seems like something of a tipping point has been reached.

Thanks in advance for the link.
 
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I don't really get why you all act like you know nothing about Morrissey that occurred before last week? This particular outburst by Morrissey was covered in the press.

Here, I'll go to Julia's lame-ass site and dig it up for you. Give me a few minutes.


Here's the quote from Morrissey on Julia's site where Morrissey supports the violent actions of the Animal Rights Militia:

"With people in the world such as Jamie Oliver and Clarissa Dickson Wright there isn't much hope for animals. I support the efforts of the Animal Rights Militia in England and I understand why fur-farmers and so-called laboratory scientists are repaid with violence - it is because they deal in violence themselves and it's the only language they understand - the same principals that apply to war. You reach a point where you cannot reason with people. This is why the Animal Rights Militia and the Hunt Saboteurs exist. They are usually very intelligent people who are forced to act because the law is shameful or amoral." -- Morrissey, on True-To-You

Now, if that's not clear enough for you (he states he admires those who bring violence upon laboratory scientists), then do your own research on what the Animal Rights Militia is, and who the targets have been. Morrissey, being someone who is deeply involved with PETA and so forth, knows these labels and groups very well.

Here's how an Animal Rights web site explains the Animal Rights Militia:

NC: How would you deal with someone who says they want to “join” the A.L.F.?
It may be reasonably argued that one is only a member of the A.L.F. whilst actually undertaking an A.L.F. action. There is no membership list of elite compassionate commandos.

The A.L.F. has had, and retains, an unchanging triad of policies. One, to rescue individual animals from suffering or potential suffering then place them in good, permanent homes or, where appropriate, release them into their natural environment.

Two, to damage or destroy property and equipment associated with animal abuse. That has a dual effect. It takes that property out of the arena of animal abuse, so that it can no longer be used to cause harm. Also, it compounds the economic loss by increasing insurance premiums and security costs not just for the company or institution attacked, but also across that whole discipline of exploitation. The simple intention is to price them out of business.

The third policy is to take every reasonable precaution not to harm or endanger life, either human or non-human.

Anyone, so long as they follow at least a vegetarian—but preferably vegan—lifestyle, can go out and undertake an action that falls within those policies and claim it as the Animal Liberation Front. There is no hierarchy; there are no leaders. There is just a compulsion to follow your heart in pursuit of justice. That is why the A.L.F. cannot be smashed, it cannot be effectively infiltrated, it cannot be stopped. You, each and every one of you: you are the A.L.F.

And if someone wishes to act as the Animal Rights Militia or the Justice Department? Simply put, the third policy of the A.L.F. no longer applies.

The third policy doesn't apply. So, by definition, A.R.M. actions are actions carried out by people who do not care about harming others.

There was an excellent thread about this on this forum a long time ago that you can read here. It provides examples of some A.R.M. actions, like those documented by the Guardian in this news story: 'Pure evil' letter bomber detained in mental hospital. It documents mail bonds and the like, that harmed children and blinded a woman.

What we're dealing with in Morrissey is a pop star who is down with the animal rights equivalent of anti-abortionists who blow up abortion clinics and murder abortion doctors. And he promotes this stuff on web sites where he knows very well some impressionable fan might decide to act on it. Julia Riley, of course, publishes this despicable pro-terrorist garbage without criticism, because she hasn't a mind of her own (which is why Morrissey loves her).

I guess it shouldn't be a surprise that someone with that kind of fascist and sicko mentality would have security forcefully remove David Tseng. Especially when Morrissey has recently stated to the press that he thinks Chinese people are something lower than humans.
 
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Interesting. I'm aware of the Animal Rights Militia (and PETA's many immoral, shady and downright criminal activities) but I didn't know that Morrissey had so directly aligned his views/sympathies with those of the A.R.M.

Thanks for the info.
 
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if only steve had gone to college... he'd be less of an ignorant asshole. srsly.
 
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