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davidt
on Saturday July 31 2004, @12:00PM
James Cherry writes:
This is from the current Popbitch email (30th July). For those of you who don't know, Popbitch is full of pop culture scandals and gossip, although more often than not is right on the money. I know there is no info to back the story but it does cause stirrings in your trousers, doesn't it? >> How soon is now Does Mozza heart Johnny? Duran Duran have done it. The Pogues, Lloyd Cole and the Commotions, Doobie Brothers and Happy Mondays are all reforming too. But the big news is that one 80s band no-one ever thought would be getting back together are in "early discussions." The Smiths.
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Reunion......... my right butt cheek (Score:0)
who, just moz and johnny?
that aint a reunion unless ANDY AND MIKE are there too. what is it with these nimrods reporters, HELLO there are four members that would make it a reunion. now if moz and johnny try to persue this without the better half of the smiths, then I WILL NOT SUPPORT IT.
Doesn't need to occur. (Score:0)
Fantastic news (Score:0)
it is or it isn't. (Score:2, Funny)
"do you want to reform the band?"
"er...ok."
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Re:it is or it isn't. (Score:2, Interesting)
i guess the only discussions left would be "what about 1987?" and "do we want to release a full album, or do we just want to tour first and see?"
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Yippee (Score:1)
Then again, look at Page and Plant...
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It could be... (Score:0, Redundant)
Jesse out, Johnny in.
I wonder if the old magic can be rekindled though....
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Re:It could be... (Score:2, Insightful)
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Yes, it could happen. (Score:0)
but, let's be clear: marr, rourke and joyce need this waaaay more than morrissey. just look at the lyrics to the healers' last album (yow, sorry johnny) and you can see that, all along, marr needed morrissey much more than the other way round. of course, some people think moz's current band is crap and he desperately needs johnny. personally i love the songs on the new album, but it would be fun to see johnny try his hand once more at writing songs for morrissey. let's hope.
Why now? Moz is HUGE right now (Score:0)
why it may or may not happen (Score:0)
--moz and marr saying they'll never try to relive the past, it's over and done. just a month ago moz said the smiths will end in murder, for god's sake.
--moz hates mike joyce, it's amazingly obvious. remember "a man who slits throats has time on his hands"??
--marr wouldn't be able to make the kind of music that he broke up the smiths to make.
reasons why a reunion could happen:
--$$$$$$.
--a chance to revisit/continue the greatness of the greatest english band in the last 30 years.
why bother (Score:1)
The Smiths are dead, VIva Morrissey
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I hope not... (Score:0)
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I doubt there is even a speck of truth behind this, but if there is, Morrissey and Marr should let sleeping dogs lie.
Posting with the respect this rumour deserves... (Score:1)
B) If Marr and Morrissey saw eye to eye, I couldn't complain. Forget the other two, as skilled as they were. Why not bring in Mark Nevin on backup guitar while they're at it.
C) They could call the new group "The Smithies". Or "The Other Two #2". (obscure that one.) Better still, a supergroup with other artists whose last names end with Smith: Patti Smith, Mark E. Smith, and Kendra Smith of Opal. But no Michael W. Smith.
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you cant repeat the past! (Score:1)
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They will be called Morrissey and Marr (Score:1)
Having said the time's not right, i wonder if alain caught a wiff of a rumour about moz and marr and decided to jump ship?
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Lies, surely, but........ (Score:1, Interesting)
1. What kind of reunion are we talking? A one-off get together or a full scale, more permanent reunion? If the former, then why bother? If the latter, then I'm all for it - this is probably their last chance before they get too old - Moz will soon be 50!! The Pixies reunion has gone extraordinarily well - and no-one has dissed any of their shows so far! Apparently, Kim Deal wrote a new song, and it's really good! All the commentators are saying, yeah, well, they did it for the money, but bloody hell, it's good! That could happen with the Smiths too.
2. The reunion is impossible because Moz DETESTS Mike Joyce. But a Moz/Marr collaboration - come on, who is insane enough to oppose it? Can Marr do it? I'm sure he can. Alain and Boz have been doing pedestrian music for seven years or so now, what's to oppose? As long as they call it Morrissey and Marr (like Anderson and Butler) and not The Smiths then that would be utterly fantastic. Anyone who'd rather have Whyte than JOHNNY MARR - you're not right in the head! No offence to Al, who's done some great stuff with Morrissey, but Johnny Marr is the guy with whom he did his most transcendental work, simple as that!
Of course it's not true, but then again - PLEASE GOD!! If this reunion can be staged like the Pixies one, then it will be the event of the decade!
Southpaw (Score:1)
Popbitch shouldn't be discounted. It suggested that Moz was winding the current band up at the end of the current tour because he was getting ready to collaborate with Bernard Butler (!). I think it would make perfect sense for Moz and Marr to reunite. Moz has stretched the current outfit as far as they it can go. Time to revisit old threads in new styles
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well, if alain has jumped ship... (Score:0)
It's fun to speculate, but I really don't believe it. It's too good to be true, and I'm a pessimist.
Blanket (Score:0)
Depends...... (Score:0)
Band reunion with a 'greatest hits' tour and nothing else? Nah, don't bother boys. That would be undiginified.
Band reunion plus new material with all four involved? Yeah, I'd go with that, too, impossible though it is. But it'd have to focus on NEW material rather than past glories or they'll be seen to have sold out, and with some justification. Yeah, play some old songs at concerts but it'd have to be in tandem with new material, it really would.
Still, I'm hoping for Moz/Marr alone to collaborate. Maintains their dignity and reunites an indisputably masterful songwriting partnership.
If the Sex Pistols can Do it (Score:0)
Reality Bites (Score:1)
Earth To Popbitch............
What planet are you on???"
Whilst I have never discounted the idea of Morrissey and Marr reuniting for a one-off, or even a tour of sorts, it has always seemed an unlikelyhood.
A full band reunion on the other hand is just ludicrous. Did nobody read all the interviews that Morrissey did this year? He claims The Smiths have the most poisonous history of aany rock-band EVER. He claims/alleges that his mother and sister have been pestered by 'Joyce's people', and he claims the history of The Smiths will end in a murder.
Somebody somewhere needs a reality check.
A Page-and-Plant style comeback is the best we can ever hope for, but even that seems a tad unlikely.
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What about Craig??? The 5th Smith! (Score:0)
Morrissey and the boys down the pub... (Score:1)
Maybe what they will do someday is meet up at a pub and discuss it all. What was happening, how everyone felt and why it ended.
I can picture that...
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things to consider (Score:1)
So is it a reunion for money? How many of us have wanted to rekindle a relationship? To know if it could still work? to bang an ex girlfriend just for the feeling? the collaboration could be out of curiosity. imagine the press, the hype , the raised profiles. Morrissey has increased the number of smiths songs in his live set? is this a nostalgic yearning - age heals wounds. I would love to hear Morrissey with some fresh music - although i love YATH - the music has been by numbers and lumpen at times. I would welcome a change even for one album and lets face it how many duff albums did the smiths produce? a change in environment could do him good, a bit like taking your viva hate album out of your Alba midi and putting it on a beo sysytem.
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Marr (Score:0)
I agreed with Marr's comment in the recent mojo interview that the Smiths needed to split at the time they did as a really important new wave of music came along in the late 80's that "Would have made us look like the beach boys in our stripey shirts" - however, Morrissey did'nt seem to understand this ("Interesting drug" was the beginning of the end for me, and listening to "Fools gold", "Madchester rave on" and "Pacific 202" next to "Ouija board" was the final straw.)
Since the mid-90's however, Marr has done nothing worthwhile, culminating in the dreadful Healers.
I'd love to see both Morrissey and Marr get together, write a few songs and see what happens.I don't think it would do them any harm and now is the right time to do it - any time in the last 17 years hasn't been.
Feasible scenario (Score:0)
Feasible scenario, if a Marr-Morrissey collaboration would ever materialise, is as follows: Marr writes two/three songs for the next Moz album. Moz sticks to his old band but Marr do a couple of guitar-overlays, maybe just a drum loop. Sanctuary then hypes this to death - Marr says "I had two tunes which did not fit the Healers album but seemed to suit Morrisseys voice very well". Morrissey returns the kind words by saying Marr's singing abilities will never match his songwriting.
And of course, the song fail to live up to the expectation drummed up by the press hype, or maybe it even stinks.
Reunion (Score:0)
Sounds plausible to me... (Score:0)
Alain goes AWOL shortly after, & Moz approaches Johnny about filling in for a few dates (Glastonbury etc). Johnny welcomes the advance, but says why not go 'full on' i.e a new Morrissey/Marr project?...
no. way. (Score:0)
A point not particularly sharp, but a point anyway (Score:1)
Morrissey is a comfortable solo artist, if anything nowadays he's more recognisable as 'Morrissey', and with this new 'comeback' (in the eyes of the record buying public anyway) he's doing incredibly well, better than most among the Shapeshifters, Britineys and whatever bland act is calling themselves R'n'B this week (Don't make me laugh, R'n' B is soulful black men with guitars and throaty vocals, who understand life and it's pitfalls and making it sound sublime, not modern black/wannabe black artists singing in a mediocre fashion about what they just bought, sorry I digress)
The point is unless it was something head-turningly artistic, there would be no point at all.
Both artists don't NEED it at all, so it would have to benefit them more than just financial gain.
Actualy would you like to sully the name of the Smiths with a mediocre record if you were Morrissey or Marr?
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would'nt it be nice? (Score:1)
franz ferdinand the fever
interpol brmc
the pixies muse
the stills secret machine
new order the shore
jumbo the killers
the rapture
for a line up at kroq inland invasion 04
+ or - a band or 2
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Sorry to say this but (Score:1)
A Smiths tour would be fun, but there is really no reason for Morrissey to get a new guitarist just now.
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25% money split (Score:0)
Yawn...... (Score:1)
This whole thing smells of the sweatiest load of old bollocks.
How many times have you heard this rumour over the years?
How many times was it true?
How likely is it to be true now, with a recent v successful album by Moz (doesn`t matter if you like it or not, it has been a huge commercial success), a new one due out from the Healers, and the usual caustic denials from all sides (most recently from Marr on Channel 4 Teletext yesterday)?
Popbitch is occasionally accurate, but mainly spreads stuff out it knows will cause a fuss and a stir. The grand British tradition of shit-stiring.
But some people make it just too easy for them...
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my two cents (Score:0)
2 things (Score:0)
1. Popbitch is right more often than not
2. Morrissey and Marr will be collaborating.
Is there a stage big enough (Score:1)
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