Remember the 'Brit Girls' series on Channel 4? Morrissey had something to say about most of the girls featured in the series and so appeared a number of times over the weeks. I have my fingers crossed that there will be a 'Pop and Politics' programme about Morrissey himself. Next week they feature Steve Earle and I can't think that Morrissey would have been asked to comment on him and his views. But who else might there be in the series? Bono? Sting? Billy Bragg? Perhaps, perhaps morrissey will do another turn.

So I shall be watching. The programme was well made and provocative - eminently watchable so there won't be much lost if the others are as good even if Moz doesn't reappear.

Paul Morely was irritating by stressing how he thought Chrissie Hynde is extreme and making out that she was like some poor, fading star who had to find a cause. Saying that he doesn't eat animals because he 'hates animals' was strange. I suppose it was funny at the time. Morrissey made his points very eloquently.

nothing is comparable with the holocaust. for him to say so shows how limited he is. love him as a music artist to bits, but he doesn't really have the brains to comment on everything. and yes, mrs hynde IS a faded star. ask anyone under 20 years of age who she is.

meat-eaters. "One can tell Michael poor is partial to a bit o' meat" and "Wilde was hideously fat and so obviously enjoyed meat, but all is forgiven" etc. It's hilarious - I mean what's his explanation? He's not exactly slim-line is he? He may be slightly less obese than Boz Boorer but that's like being slightly less blind than Stevie Wonder.

Vegetarianism causes all manner of health problems in people (like Morrissey) who don't think out their dietary intake in sufficient depth, predisposing to vitamin deficiencies, a lack of "wellbeing," poor immune function and regular infections. Vehans can even develop very serious neurological conditions. Besides this, meat tastes fantastic, it really does.

"A" loves humans and says "I could never eat a human." "B" eats a human and A stands in judgement of B, stating "how disgusting it is to eat the flesh of a living human being" while A is wearing a humanskin coat with some nice human skin shoes. Please point out the philosophical flaws in A's argument.

Now apply this to animals.

Broken, you lonely, fat, tired, old thing, ...you are desperately obsessed with Moz, and you have nothing better to do than come on here several hundred times during your empty day and post contradictory hypocritical statements and then say ignorant shit like vegetarianism can lead to a weak immune system?
All the vegetarians I know, including myself, practically never get sick while all the carnivors get the flu every year.

Meat eaters who claim that it is right to eat meat are threaten by vegetarianism as they know it is the ideal dietary and ethical lifestyle but don't want to admit it because it would just mean they would have to admit wrongdoing.

If Moz gets sick alot it is not because he is a vegetarian but because he's old, heavy, tired and not used to touring..maybe he'll learn his lesson and shape up.

apologies for any spelling errors.
good day,
-R.

Broken, you are quite right. I completely agree with you. There is no morale justification for vegetarians who wear leather. Most leather goods are made from the byproducts of the slaughterhouse, and some is purpose-made, i.e. the animal is grown and slaughtered purely for its skin. In the programme mentioned that started these threads there was footage of cows who were to be used for leather by the shop 'Gap' & they were being blinded by these bastards(can't bring myself to call them people) sticking their fingers into the cow's eye socket & violently thrusting the finger in & out, up & down. It was absolutely disgusting to see & is an image that will probably live with me forever. These animals were suffering this cruelty purely for people to wear them on their feet.
I can't understand vegetarians who wear leather(or even fur) either, there is no morale argument for it. What I would say, however, is that at least vegetarians who are wearing leather are killing less animals than meat eaters who wear leather.

Go vegetarian or vegan! It's so much healthier for you. Your risk of heart disease and cancer will drop massively. Your spare tire will pull in to lean muscle. Your mental and physical strength will grow noticeably. I spent 30 years as a meat eater and now I feel fantastic after going vegetarian (and soon vegan). Don't listen to the lies some people on this board are spreading. Go to www.peta.org and click on the ask Carla section then read all the questions and answers. Do your body a favor and stop ingesting meat prions.

I'm reposting this on the main string as so many people are against Morrissey standing up and speaking what he beliveves in. If anyone thinks Morrissey is not an intelligent person I would say you have not listened to his music. So if you think he is a smart person I ask you to please give one moment of objectivity to this issue. Meat truly is murder. Murder to a sentient being and murder to your own body.

It very much compares to the holocaust except it is much WORSE.
WORSE in that it is indiscriminate. All animals get a chance to be tortured and die. Some lucky ones like cows, pigs and chickens will have it in mass while 'delicacies' like pheasant, bison and goose will die only when the folks with fat pockets in the west get a craving for murder. Oh and if you are a dog, cat, small fish etc then this hypocritical clause takes effect and you are spared. It's perfectly sane to eat a cow and pet a dog right?

WORSE in that it has been going on longer by thousands of years. This is not another sick blip in the history of the human decent into psychosis, this is a long term display of violence, pain and suffering.

WORSE in that almost all modern people identify the holocaust as 'wrong' while McDonalds and KFCs open everyday around the world.

The holocaust is in no way to be brushed aside. People did die in mass at the hands of a "Bush"like leader who whipped his people into a murderous frenzy using nationalism, anti-someone-else's-religion , fear and empiracal desire (sound familiar?). I do not belittle that horendous event but I'll be damned if people can not see even the slightest connection to the animal holocaust because they themselves are too weak to try living without murdering. You came into this world as one life. If I had the power to put the number of how many lives you have already destroyed on this planet maybe you would think differently.
But I'm just a raving activist. Don't mind me. Go back and have those chicken nuggets for lunch with the flesh of 27 animals on average per nugget. Or better yet have a hot dog. Or maybe call it a light day in the killing fields and have a nice piece of solid steak so only one sentient being had to die (well for that meal at least).
Try vegetarianism....it's simple, delicious, you'll feel better, have more constant energy, balance your weight, lower your chances of having heart disease or cancer massively and YOU'LL NO LONGER HAVE BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS.
Very seriously...a long time poster here with respect for almost all of you,
Please reconsider,
Moz Is God