Morrissey’s Brexit love affair makes him the last true rock’n’roll rebel - The Spectator
Brendan O'Neill
Brendan O'Neill
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Still there is more depth in this piece then in all of your 'contributions' to this forum in the last 10-15 years pieced together.
Thicko.
I'm very much a left winger, voted for Remain, very relaxed about immigration, and so forth. So of course it's difficult for me to hear him saying things that go against my own view of things. However, I think he's entitled to voice his own opinions like we all are. A lot of noses are out of joint because he's simply got different views from those we want him to have.
Morrissey says things in a very clumsy way at times, and it lends to headlines that come across as exceedingly nasty. I find when you actually read what he's saying, you don't get the same impression that he's this really cruel person. His views on immigration tend more to be about preserving culture and national identity as opposed to simple racism. I think he's got some ridiculous sentimentality for the past, but I don't think he's being racist. Millions of people in the UK, US, and Europe have the same views on immigration, I don't think they can all be dismissed as racists. As for Brexit, let's not forget that the majority of people in the UK voted for it. If anything, he's more in tune with public opinion than people like me are. I think Morrissey is attracted to the whole idea of rebelling against the establishment rather than the pros and cons of EU membership.
His sexual harassment quotes are much harder to defend of course. Some of them are indefensible. Reading him almost try to blame that fourteen year old for the Spacey incident was probably the worst I've felt reading an interview by him. At the same time, there was a hint of a point in there regards hysteria over the issue, and the conflation of very serious sexual crimes and a misplaced pass at someone. But if that was simply the point he was trying to make, he screwed it up big time by appearing to defend Spacey and Weinstein for, at the very very very least, creepy behaviour. And, by the sounds of it, they are allegedly guilty of worse.
I still think it's refreshing that he's willing to speak his mind on things, even when it makes for uncomfortable reading. I'm worried about the PC/outrage culture we live in and where it's leading, so I like the fact that he just doesn't care what people say or think about him. I just don't think he's very well informed on a lot of subjects, and has a tendency to blurt out awful things at time. Sometimes I wish he'd just stay focused on the music for a while!
Oh and Roger Daltrey - BASTARD!!!
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/who-legend-roger-daltrey-hes-8252353
A reminder that James Delingpole (Breitbart writer) and Rod Liddle write for this publication too. The Spectator is the ever-so-slightly more acceptable version of Breitbart.
http://www.breitbart.com/author/james-delingpole/
Sir Michael Caine - ignorant old fart!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Caine-doesn-t-want-Britain-controlled-EU.html
A reminder that other contributors have included Germaine Greer,Craig Brown and Christopher Hitchens.
Not ignorant - Just in a different stratosphere to most of the population who will be directly affected by leaving the EU.
Again, Do most people care about Morrissey's views on Brexit? I don't. But when he is showing support for knuckle draggers like Anne Marie Waters and declaring Berlin a rape capital then that is something I absolutely have a problem with. His interview was a train wreck. Seeing all of the sheep on here jumping to his defense is pathetic
A reminder that other contributors have included Germaine Greer,Craig Brown and Christopher Hitchens.
You dont appear to understand how magazines work
Yes.You know who owns the Spectator, right?
...He has nothing to offer the current generation...
That's a really well-written article though!
It is. It makes a change.
The thing is that many of you might forget what it was like in 1977-86. It was GRIM. At least it was in the UK.
It became the 'DUTY' of ALL musicians to stir-up controversy.
Goodness. If you folks had ever seen (or heard) some of the things that the Rolling Stones or the Sex Pistols got upto then you guys wouldn't be so hard on Morrissey. Some of you folks based in USA also "had it" during the very first days of rock n roll..... don't forget they called it the "devil's music" for many years. And Elvis was an absolute sweetie-pie compared to The Rolling Stones and The Sex Pistols.
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So what you're saying is...it's OK, because these guys were doing it too. Is that right?
Morrissey’s Brexit love affair makes him the last true rock’n’roll rebel - The Spectator
Brendan O'Neill
Oh, yeah, such a rebel. A man who has no significant public profile risking his insignificant reputation by coming out in favor of every geriatrics' favorite single issue voting trigger: Immigrants.
Morrissey is as much a rebel as someone's out of touch grandparents.
People like Morrissey, and his supporters are living in a bubble, and it's like viewing mental illness unfold in real time. They're already dead.
They're embarrassing themselves; all the while imagining that they're the last front in defense of something that people will write comedies about in the future. They're just people who are going to live and die, and nothing that they felt, or did will have meant anything. Spider in a web, replacing a spider in a web.
Still, it's interesting to watch Morrissey evolve into a right wing artist; but at his age, it makes sense. He has nothing to offer the current generation. He's an anachronism. He doesn't relate.
He's become the Gallagher of pop music, and instead of smashing watermelons with a hammer, he employs the rhetorical equivalent: All style, no substance. Soon, he'll likely be pursuing the state fair circuit, singing songs about the way things were, and should be.
He was supposed to be the kind of artist who escaped that cliche, but he embraced it, and that's more disappointing than any callous, xenophobic ideas he might hold.
Morrissey has managed to thoroughly embarrass his most dedicated fans.
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His interview was a train wreck. Seeing all of the sheep on here jumping to his defense is pathetic