Johnny Marr responds to Morrissey's open letter via Twitter (January 26, 2022)

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Good in your opinion may be different to good in other peoples opinions, do you ever consider that?

Surface, I’m just trying to help them.
 


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you know :handpointright::guardsman::handpointleft: loves to give interviews
where he is 'discreet' about Moz.
Oi discreeto_O
another PepeLePew z list podcast about Moz
he doesnt know moz for 35 yrs and he is being 'discreet' about him?
what the F can he be discreet about? making oblique remarks as if
he knows something about someone he hasnt dealt with in 35 yrs
way out there this pepe:crazy:

maybe he is in love with Moz?
that may be the answer to his bizarre puzzle:girl:

:hammer:
 
seriously though, some think it actually is one or two particular things Johnny has said that pushed Morrissey to finally say something.

When in fact it’s things being said by Marr over the years that Morrissey (not us) has been troubled about.

I really think that it was Johnny's face on the cover of UNCUT that pushed him over the edge. I can imagine Moz getting his valet/boyfriend to purchase it for him and then furiously turning the pages to see if he were mentioned. And OMG, he's mentioned in a slightly negative light! Shock! Horror! Open Letter to Johnny Marr! He should have ended with "P.S. Why isn't MY face on the cover of UNCUT?"

And now, the nerve of Johnny posting a slim shirtless picture of himself. Johnny has also stolen a Moz trademark! Moz was the shirtless one in the Smiths! Stay tuned for Open Letter to Johnny Marr 2 - I'M THE SHIRTLESS ONE, NOT YOU!!
 
You may not like him but he actually has a very successful career and is wealthy off the back of it.
I see that he is verified on Twitter? Not
He’s a wanker in your eyes and a few others on here Mr Angry, outside of his site he’s actually well liked due to his influence on the Manchester music scene.

He was also a fan of Morrissey prior to the racism accusations (which I don’t agree with) over the last few years.

Good for Mr. Haslam. Nothing that you are saying makes him important to anyone. He is a self christened wanna be. So desperate to be like his idols, but could never be. At least he has ONE fan I see. I don't mind Mr. Haslam doing his thing....just leave Morrissey out of it. He has made a name for himself being a Moz hater (see evidence below). So just stop already and as I said in my open letter, just rest on your talent.

Cause those that can't do often have to And those that can't do often have to preach to the ones- Bono

 
:)

no doubt LePepe thinks he looks beautiful in those anorexic ocean photos. they are likely from his personal collection filed under 'super hot anorexic 60 yr old dudes in the ocean'o_O

wig placement is 45 min operation followed by a 2 hr session of gazing at himself:lbf:

:lbf:

no chicks anywhere(n)

:hammer:
 
Yay, Marr says M was such a nightmare, yet he wanted to go on tour with him, less than 15 years ago.

Dave so anti Morrissey he talks at Morrissey fan meetings.

This is gonna be a real eye opener for some

Just a shame, us the fans have to miss out on good records and have to endure Jesse etc .
 
Anybody know what Haslam is hinting at? He's done it before, it seems very vindictive.

I once spoke to an old bloke in a Manchester record store and he said Moz had a Japanese girlfriend the whole time in the Smiths when he was on the celibacy hype. Hardly a baffling revelation, what's Haslam getting at?


I cannot stand Haslam, sanctimonious arsehole who constantly uses his celeb stories for attention & then tries to claim everyone else is living in the past!


as much as i hate Dave, that is correct
 
Sounds quite sinister.

The only thing that fits what Haslam is hinting at is something I don't want to type. And, if so, then Haslam and Marr kept quiet about it. Which makes them complicit. Maybe the music press should push for answers from Marr on this? Could someone screenshot Haslam's tweet please, before it gets deleted?

If you think of possible scenarios where, if those in the know were to post online, something that is so bad it would end Morrissey's career for good, then you'll know what I'm thinking.
Jesus, there are loads of true stories about Morrissey in Manchester
As much as they have back stabbed him and mocked him, in private ..The manchester mob have protected him , from day one. I have to say that ,

From dumb things like being drunk falling over in restaurants , saying " do you know who I am"
to more career ending thing. They protected him and kept it all "in house"

If Morrissey would have done this stuff in America, he would have been hung out to dry years ago- American's sell anyone out for money or fame.

Fiona is such a dumb cow, she is the one who thinks she knows M's every instinct.NOT marr.
Yet she knows nothing about him, not really . Which is why there is no point in reading anything she has written
 
He didn’t mention it in the open letter. So photos don’t seem to be an issue.
In a nutshell, I feel, Johnny Marr has been a little insulting and Morrissey has given him a gentle reminder that he wasn’t so averse when each was helping the other establish themselves as artists.

I would suggest that a little spiritual understanding wouldn’t go amiss from Marr— as Morrissey doubtless had to endure the relationship too; I’m sure he also felt a little ‘bruised’ by events.

As I understand it, Morrissey and Marr used to have a mutual friend, who did a little mediation between the pair. And I’m slightly sad to think that this public spat might represent that link being another thing diminished by time.

Nevertheless, I take heart from recognising the level of injury expressed, by both, represents some enduring emotional investment in each other.
 
JM fled from his own band because his gay best mate, who patently adored him, made a move? Such crap. Rumours like that have been around forever and it's no 'dark secret' anyway - the only thing that would be "surprising" or shocking about that for any Smiths fan is that M waited until 87 to do it.

Why is anyone taking Haslam seriously - a master of shit-stirring?
Well, he has a point. Some things about M, if shared would probably be the final, last nail..Well, for a few months then forgotten.
Like Bowie and the underage women
 
He’s hinting that even blackmail isn’t beneath him.
No. he is saying, I wouldn't run your mouth too much.
As the rivers of crap that will head his way, will drown him
I dont like Dave H. But how can people say he is a nothing and who would want him on your team when M seems to mainly have incels and Fiona as his defenders?

I am pro M in this, I think he has a point BUT I am not blind to reality
 
No one is expecting Marr to start praising Morrissey all of a sudden (much easier to carry on sticking the boot in) but if he can’t even lay off him during a dark period in his life the guy has to be pretty heartless and cruel. However this is nothing new I’ve heard rumours for years about Marrs personality from people that actually new him and they are not at all complimentary. Even Craig Gannon has gone on record to say during his time in the band Morrissey was an unusual guy but couldn’t have been nicer whereas Marr was essentially a controlling bully that enjoyed picking on weaker characters
 
The Smiths wasn't Johnny's band.

And the "rumor" that I posted about is the reason Marr told the Modest Mouse band members that he left the Smiths.

At the same time, I wish they would've actually boned each other, written an intimate album, then broken up and written dedicated break up albums about one other!
Just tell us what it is, rather than hint... say it .

Morrissey's criminal activity?
Johnny ran with loads of criminals. We are talking about working class kids from Manchester, crime is everywhere

In fact it was covered up in the early days that he may have been a burglar .
Johnny knew loads of criminals.
So, if it was something "criminal" it must have been something pretty morally bad...
Marr took drugs, so it wouldnt be that , as such . Marr knew the usual criminal types , so it wouldnt be the usual criminal stuff, robbing, stealing etc etc
It wouldnt be driving with no driving licence, it would have to be pretty bad.
where is proof that he said that to modest mouse?
 
Gated article so reproduced in full here (it may or may not move):

By James Hall.

Why Morrissey and Johnny Marr hate each other

The former Smiths sparring partners are waging yet another war of words. But perhaps only one of them should stop talking

Another day, another spat in the music world. On Monday, it was Taylor Swift and Damon Albarn who had a very public contretemps. On Tuesday, it was Neil Young and Spotify (the streaming platform has since announced it is removing Young’s music). And yesterday it was Morrissey and Johnny Marr, formerly of The Smiths.

The two bards of Eighties bedroom melodrama locked horns after Morrissey published an “open letter” on his website asking Marr to stop using his name in interviews “for clickbait”. In reply, Marr gave his former bandmate short shrift and accused him of being out of date and out of touch.

Morrissey’s letter urged Marr to “leave me out” of interviews. “The fact is: you don’t know me,” the 62-year-old wrote in his letter, published on the Morrissey Central website. “You know nothing of my life, my intentions, my thoughts, my feelings. Yet you talk as if you were my personal psychiatrist with consistent and uninterrupted access to my instincts.” He accused Marr of pandering to the British press’s desire to print “cruel and savage” remarks about him.

Marr hit back on Twitter with a withering reply to Morrissey’s official account. “Dear @officialmoz. An ‘open letter’ hasn’t really been a thing since 1953, it’s all ‘social media’ now. Even Donald J Trump had that one down. Also, this fake news business… a bit 2021 yeah?”

There’s clearly no love lost between the pair who, as the creative core of The Smiths from their formation in 1982 to their split in 1987, crafted some of the most enduring indie pop songs ever written. From This Charming Man and Bigmouth Strikes Again to There is a Light That Never Goes Out and How Soon is Now?, the duo composed the romantic, erudite, vulnerable, jangly, witty, unforgettable soundtrack to countless teenage lives.

Morrissey and Marr – the band’s singer and guitar player respectively – have been on different trajectories since the band split. Morrissey is the cantankerous solo artist who has been prone, particularly in recent years, to make controversial comments about immigration, race, meat-eaters and politics.

Marr, meanwhile, is the serial collaborator (The Pretenders, The The, Billy Bragg, Electronic, Modest Mouse, The Cribs, and Hans Zimmer and Billie Eilish on the latest Bond score) who went on to become a solo artist and has an almost Dave Grohl-like reputation for being a nice guy. But this very public argument blasts any differences wide open. As one Twitter user put it, “this disagreement is a true nail in the heart for us fans”. So what’s behind the animosity?

Morrissey’s letter appears to have been sparked by a recent interview that Marr gave to Uncut magazine to promote his new solo album, Fever Dreams Pts 1-4. In the interview, Marr talks about his collaborators. “It won’t come as any surprise when I say that I’m really close with everyone I’ve worked with – except for the obvious one. And that isn’t that much of a surprise because we’re so different, me and Morrissey,” Marr said.

In his letter, Morrissey called Marr a “rent-a-quote” when the press required an “ugly slant” on him. “It’s as if you can’t uncross your legs without mentioning me,” the singer wrote.

On a purely empirical basis, Morrissey has a point. I randomly picked out 10 print interviews that Marr has given over the last decade: he mentions Morrissey by name in around half, references him without naming him in others, and in one interview “does everything in his power to avoid the word ‘Morrissey’,” according to the writer. This latter quote almost proves the point.

But this is hardly Marr’s fault – he’s simply answering journalists’ questions because he’s a professional. And the journalists are asking these questions because The Smiths and Morrissey (and, by extension, the things he does) are woven into Britain’s cultural fabric. It’s daft of Morrissey to blame Marr for other people’s perfectly valid interest in their lives. They built the temple. They can’t expect pilgrims not to visit.

But I’m not sure this spat is really about mentions in articles. Not at its heart. As with many arguments, the animosity is deeper rooted than would initially appear. I would suggest that this falling out boils down to three things: the acrimonious break-up of The Smiths thirty-five years ago, Morrissey’s ever-more preposterous statements in recent years, and The Smiths’ legacy going forward. The first one still festers, the second one regularly astounds, and the third one remains unresolved.

The Smiths broke up in the middle of 1987 when they were on the cusp of releasing their fourth studio album, Strangeways, Here We Come. Big things beckoned. They’d just switched from indie label Rough Trade to major label EMI for future releases, and mainstream global fame – beyond the underground success they’d enjoyed – was a genuine prospect.

However, frustrated with what he saw as Morrissey’s increasingly inflexible music tastes and the singer’s no-show at a video shoot for the single Sheila Take A Bow, Marr took a break from the group that June. He was also fed up with the presumption that he’d take on managerial duties after their manager Ken Friedman was frozen out. Marr left the band permanently the following month after a piece appeared in NME under the headline: “Smiths to split”. The article stated that a “personality clash” between Morrissey and Marr was to blame. Marr wrongly believed that Morrissey had planted the article.

“There was no way forward,” Marr said in a 2016 newspaper interview. “I was waiting for someone to fix it and make it so it didn’t have to happen.” But no one did fix it. The band found a new guitarist, devastating Marr.

Things weren’t always thus. Marr and Morrissey had met at a Patti Smith concert in 1978. But it was in 1982 that they decided to form a band. “It felt totally natural,” Marr wrote of their early friendship in his autobiography Set The Boy Free. “Although [Morrissey] was a few years older than me there was an immediate understanding and empathy between us.” For his part, Morrissey thought Marr was “quite obviously gifted and almost unnaturally multi-talented,” according to his own autobiography.

Just five years later, Marr was being blamed for the band’s break-up. “I don’t think anyone’s ever had such a hard time about the end of a band as I have, besides Yoko Ono,” he told Q magazine in 2016. So he set the record straight in interviews, suggesting that Morrissey forced him out.

The singer appears to take umbrage at this in his open letter. “We haven’t known each other for 35 years – which is many lifetimes ago,” Morrissey wrote this week. “When we met, you and I were not successful. We both helped each other become whatever it is we are today. Can you not just leave it at that? Must you persistently, year after year, decade after decade, blame me for everything?... From the 2007 Solomon Islands tsunami to the dribble on your grandma’s chin?”

Morrissey is also no doubt irritated that Marr comments in interviews on Things That Morrissey Says. Again, not really Marr’s fault: the more controversy that Morrissey courts, the more Marr will be asked about it. And Morrissey courts a lot of controversy. In recent years he has made a barrage of offensive pronouncements including swipes at the Chinese and sympathy for far-right groups such as For Britain. Record labels have shied away: last June, Morrissey announced that he would sell his latest album to the “highest (or lowest) bidder”. Of course Marr is asked about all this.

Marr stated in a 2018 interview with this paper that you can’t separate the art from the artist. So when in the same interview he was asked about Morrissey’s recent expression of sympathy for Tommy Robinson, the jailed far-right activist and English Defence League founder, he witheringly said: “Of course I completely disagree with those views. Anyone who knows me can guess how I feel about it, but on some level, I really don’t give a f---. Does it mean anything in my actual day-to-day life? No. Not at all.”

In his letter, Morrissey suggests hypocrisy (not about politics but in general). “You found me inspirational enough to make music with me for six years. If I was, as you claim, such an eyesore monster, where exactly did this leave you? Kidnapped? Mute? Chained? Abducted by cross-eyed extra-terrestrials?” Morrissey asked.

Lastly, there is in all likelihood an unspoken battle going on for the legacy of The Smiths. Who can claim the soul of the band – the singer and lyricist, or the guitar player who wrote the music? Both men play Smiths songs in their live sets. At Morrissey’s last gig, according to the SetlistFM website, he played four Smiths songs including How Soon Is Now? and Shoplifters of the World Unite.

At Marr’s most recent, he also played four including How Soon Is Now? and Bigmouth Strikes Again. Both men could claim to be the heart of the band. Six years ago, Marr said: “I formed The Smiths and it was my band and I broke it up.” But then Morrissey… the voice, the delivery, the gladioli, the quiff, the glasses. In so many ways, he is The Smiths. It’s a question for which there is no answer.

Unfortunately for Morrissey, his letter is unlikely to change anything. Marr will probably continue to use his name in interviews – not because it’s clickbait, but because he’s a Smith. The Beatles split up 52 years and people still ask Paul McCartney about John Lennon. This is no different.

Morrissey’s best chance of not being talked about is actually far simpler than writing a letter. In fact, it involves doing precisely nothing. If Morrissey really doesn’t want to be chatted about, he should simply shut up. Many – perhaps even Marr himself – would welcome it.


Regards,
FWD.
 
Whether it's shit or not is irrelevant in this case,

the poster said - I hope he understands that if people "support" him is because they decided to hate on Morrissey, not because they like his "unstoppable" solo career as a session musician.

I said - Well some people must like his solo career seeing as his last 3 solo albums reached the top 10.
What i've said is that the ones supporting him in Twitter aren't the ones that actually supports his career by buying his albums or whatever, obviusly some people do buy his albums but i doubt it's the same people, and he is searching the support of people that are there just to hate on Morrissey.

That's how Twitter work.
 
Yay, Marr says M was such a nightmare, yet he wanted to go on tour with him, less than 15 years ago.

Dave so anti Morrissey he talks at Morrissey fan meetings.

This is gonna be a real eye opener for some

Just a shame, us the fans have to miss out on good records and have to endure Jesse etc .
Exactly
But people see only what they want to see.
Can we really blame Morrissey for not wanting to have anything to do with a guy that clearly dislikes him and wanted to approach him only for money...
JM is just jumping on the "hate Morrissey" bandwagon because he can profit out of it
 
Jesus, there are loads of true stories about Morrissey in Manchester
As much as they have back stabbed him and mocked him, in private ..The manchester mob have protected him , from day one. I have to say that ,

From dumb things like being drunk falling over in restaurants , saying " do you know who I am"
to more career ending thing. They protected him and kept it all "in house"

If Morrissey would have done this stuff in America, he would have been hung out to dry years ago- American's sell anyone out for money or fame.

Fiona is such a dumb cow, she is the one who thinks she knows M's every instinct.NOT marr.
Yet she knows nothing about him, not really . Which is why there is no point in reading anything she has written
Now i'm curious
What ending career stories?
I've heard nothing about them, but the falling drunk in a restaurant is something i can picture him actually.
Please spill
 
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