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[suzanne]

Re: happiness is...

> oh my god, are you still posting on here???

i would have stopped, but i know you need something to complain about when you come around

> isn't there more to life than music?

i don't remember discussing music, do you, fabricio?.

 

[The Magic Fairy]

Re: happiness is...

...a cigar called Hamlet. The mild cigar.

TMF x

 

[p a n i c]

most danceable smiths song?

So do they have any clubs over there that play britpop, and do you go dancing? They have a club here called popscene, easily the best weekly club for this kind of music. At the bare minimum they play the most 'danceable' smiths songs ever week:

Boy with the Thorn..
Bigmouth..
Heaven Knows..
sometimes even There is a Light..

and for Moz its usually:

Interesting Drug
Girlfriend in a Coma
etc

Then there's the 3 Suede songs..

Beautiful Ones
Trash
Filmstar

I have to say I got addicted to Suede from this club, although I think the less 'danceable' songs on Coming Up are even better.. (Chemistry Between Us)..

How do you feel about danceable songs?

How do you feel about Belle and Sebastian appearing in High Fidelity?

What's the meaning of life?

 

[suzanne]

ok, i'll bite...

> So do they have any clubs over there that play britpop, and do
> you go dancing?

I do not go dancing. i like sitting and resting

from what i've seen, they play early 80's retro which is mostly British.

>They have a club here called popscene, easily
> the best weekly club for this kind of music. At the bare minimum
> they play the most 'danceable' smiths songs ever week:

> Boy with the Thorn..
> Bigmouth..
> Heaven Knows..
> sometimes even There is a Light..

> and for Moz its usually:

> Interesting Drug
> Girlfriend in a Coma
> etc

> Then there's the 3 Suede songs..

> Beautiful Ones
> Trash
> Filmstar

> I have to say I got addicted to Suede from this club, although I
> think the less 'danceable' songs on Coming Up are even better..
> (Chemistry Between Us)..

oh, i don't know. i don't like suede dancing or sitting down.

> How do you feel about danceable songs?

they make me feel like dancing

> How do you feel about Belle and Sebastian appearing in High
> Fidelity?

they didn't appear. their music did

> What's the meaning of life?

figuring it out the last gasp of air you ever take....

 

[p a n i c]

la la la la-la

> I do not go dancing. i like sitting and resting

> figuring it out the last gasp of air you ever take....

You know Suzanne, if you dyed your hair brown (it might look nice), sported some new frames on those nifty retro glasses (retro!), and lost your third dimension (who needs it), the only thing separating you from TV's "Daria" could be your Clockwork Orange-style humanism!

 

[Fabricio]

Re: happiness is...

> i would have stopped, but i know you need something to complain
> about when you come around

> i don't remember discussing music, do you, fabricio?.

Oh, we never discuss it in fact.

 

[suzanne]

Re: la la la la-la

> You know Suzanne, if you dyed your hair brown (it might look
> nice),

you dumb ass, it already IS brown.

>sported some new frames on those nifty retro glasses
> (retro!),

i'll chalk up your lack of knowledge about what i really look like as to good luck on my part.

>and lost your third dimension (who needs it), the only
> thing separating you from TV's "Daria" could be your
> Clockwork Orange-style humanism!

look, what is it that you want?

and i'm only asking it rhetorically because whatever it is, you ain't getting it.

 

[Fabricio]

Re: happiness is...

>> But you killed it or it killed itself?
>
>Yes, Fabricio, it couldn't take any more of this cruel world and I >was shocked
>as i walked in the door from work to find it hanging from the ceiling >fan with
>a rope around it's monitor.

hehehe....

ok but... well, sometimes the computer is too weak...

>

>Speaking of things that can't take it any more, my kitty ran away or
>something. Hadn't seen her in a week. I'm down to a houseplant now.

This is really bad. Did your kitty did it before?
>
>> Ok, but at Hitler's time they didn't want to speak English
>> because they thought they were superior.
>
>funny thing is most americans don't learn any foreign languages because
THEY
>think they are superior!

Perhaps they are not superior, but their language certainly is. I studied French during nine years and when I did exam to enter in my M.Sc. course I had to do an English test, so I began to study English...

>

>> And it seems that it's much easier for a German learn the
>> English than for an English learn the German, because both
>> languages have the same origin and German is the more difficult
>> of the two languages. This perhaps made German people think they
>> are superior.
>
>God knows. Don't look to me.

And don't look to me either! ))

>
>> Oh, we have more things in common then, besides Morrissey!
>
>> I am from the 3rd generation of my line of Müllers born in
>> Brazil. And you?
>
>Do you want me to post my entire family tree?

No, but it would be fine! ))

> I have one odd strand on one
>side of the family, and then lots on the other side, but they all >arrived at
>different times.

Well, six of my eight great-grandparents were European (four from Italy and two from German, the Müllers) and came to Brazil, that's why is easy to talk about my family tree.

>
>> That's why Morrissey lives there!
>
>> Oh, it's horrible to lose things, isn't it?
>
>But I found it! In the outside storage closet in a bag.

Oh great! Is an enormous happiness finding things we thought we had lost, isn't it?

>
>Maybe i should learn to look for these things in broad daylight.

Oh, you looked for those things at night? This way things are much more difficult indeed!

>
>> Oh, I use to lose everything I had - I don't know why I'm not
>> loosing things as much as I did before. I don't know. Perhaps
>> I'm becaming older and bored.
>
>maybe you have a good filing system....

Perhaps, and this is because I'm becoming more and more neurotic about organization. This makes me tired sometimes, but this has something positive itself.

>
>> Your boss seems to be a very boring person. I think she is the
>> kind of person for whom anything is ok. She seems always
>> preparing something to accuse her subordinates because of
>> nothing. I don't think she had reasons to think such a thing of
>> you.
>
>she doesn't, and sadly, the last person besides myself who had been > >there for
>any length of time put in her two week notice to go to a bigger job >somewhere
>else. i'm so jealous. here i am sending resumes out and nobody calls >me.

This is the worst point of finding some good job. The point is we have to have an enormous patience. I became a more patient guy after waiting for a so long time that my great efforts in my jobs had some good financial result. Someway, I'm still waiting for it...

> my
>cover letters must frighten them. that's the only thing I can think >of.

I doubt about it - the thing is we have to be patient.

>
>> I would like to.
>
>> Perhaps, but the only thing I have when I use alcohol are
>> headaches.
>
>that's why you have to drink water afterwards. i learned that lesson last year
>when I had the worst headache of my life. all it is is a simple case of
>dehydration.

Oh really? Perhaps I'll try to.

But I am affraid of drinking alcohol - I am affraid of loosing control, and without loosing control I don't know why I should drink alcohol. I just wanted to lose control for a while. If I began to drink and after a time I stop... well, I'll have to control myself to do it...

>
>> What's SUV's?
>
>you're the second person i've had to explain this to!

Oh, I feel myself less ignorant then!

>
>Jeeps, Ford Bronco's, etc. Not quite cars and too small to be >suburbans, and
>not exactly shaped like a truck.

Thank you for your explanation!

>
>> I don't know really what I have to think. I don't know even if
>> he'll play these two!
>
>we'll see. i keep thinking he's up to something.
>it could be nothing more than
>paranoia, but what can i say? i'm surprised i've functioned this long >without
>anyone saying anything.

But what exactly are you imagining about Morrissey?

>> Morrissey always surprise us, that's why we like him.
>
>some surprises are good, yes...

I know what you are meaning, but his unpredictable character makes part of his legend, it makes him more mysterious...

>
>> No no, you really seem more at easy these days.
>
>and i don't know why. this is the laziest and uninspired i've been in >years.

You don't seem so.

>
>> I believe in windfall AND in hard work at the same time. I try
>> to use both in my normal life.
>
>i use hardwork to try and counteract the things bad karma gives me.
>
>don't you ever have that happen Fabricio?

Well, sometimes.

>Don't you ever work to counter
>disasterous effects, and no matter what you do, something bad happens, anyway.

There's a theory that if you expect good things good things return to you. What do you think about it?

>
>> Sorry again for my ignorance, but "beddy bye time" is
>> time of sleeping, isn't it?
>
>yes it is!

I liked the expression!

>
>> If so, it's beddy bye time for me too! It's almost 4:00 am in
>> Curitiba!
>
>heh. well, i hope you didn't have too rough a day at work afterwards.

Well, not so rough really, because I slept well this weekend... and I slept for two hours before I had wrote to you!

 

[suzanne]

a warm gun

> hehehe....

> ok but... well, sometimes the computer is too weak...

yes, computers need to toughen up and seek counseling

> This is really bad. Did your kitty did it before?

no. i haven't had her for too long, and she was already sort of a stray to begin with. I guess she migrates and moves on..

> Perhaps they are not superior, but their language certainly is.
> I studied French during nine years and when I did exam to enter
> in my M.Sc. course I had to do an English test, so I began to
> study English...

so, how is their language superior?

> Well, six of my eight great-grandparents were European (four
> from Italy and two from German, the Müllers) and came to Brazil,
> that's why is easy to talk about my family tree.

i can't tell you where some of mine came from. some of them arrived on the slow boat to Virginia around the time Shakespeare was writing his plays, and of course, they didn't do a good job of documenting things

> Oh great! Is an enormous happiness finding things we thought we
> had lost, isn't it?

i guess. now, it means i can't procrastinate with good reason!

> Oh, you looked for those things at night? This way things are
> much more difficult indeed!

but you see, i can see very well in the dark, usually.

> Perhaps, and this is because I'm becoming more and more neurotic
> about organization. This makes me tired sometimes, but this has
> something positive itself.

yes, you know where things are, and you don't stub your toes on odd things lying around.

> This is the worst point of finding some good job. The point is
> we have to have an enormous patience. I became a more patient
> guy after waiting for a so long time that my great efforts in my
> jobs had some good financial result. Someway, I'm still waiting
> for it...

i've given up and am heading for slackerdom!

> I doubt about it - the thing is we have to be patient.

> Oh really? Perhaps I'll try to.

> But I am affraid of drinking alcohol - I am affraid of loosing
> control, and without loosing control I don't know why I should
> drink alcohol. I just wanted to lose control for a while. If I
> began to drink and after a time I stop... well, I'll have to
> control myself to do it...

it usually doesn't work like that.

> Oh, I feel myself less ignorant then!

> Thank you for your explanation!

> But what exactly are you imagining about Morrissey?

that he is a twit!

but likeable in his twitty way.

> I know what you are meaning, but his unpredictable character
> makes part of his legend, it makes him more mysterious...

tell me about it. just when you think you have his logic figured out, suddenly he throws someting else in.

> You don't seem so.

well, i am! I can't really remember any other time in my life...besides my teenage years...where i was just sort of lying around with no concept of whether it gets better or worse from here.

> Well, sometimes.

> There's a theory that if you expect good things good things
> return to you. What do you think about it?

i think it works for some people as those people can count on certain things.

> I liked the expression!

> Well, not so rough really, because I slept well this weekend...
> and I slept for two hours before I had wrote to you!

i need to sleep. i got accidentally sucked into hanging out. i brought my guitar...i taught them one of my songs...and heh...and you're not going to like it...but it's like, who cares at this point? AS i said, this is a period of lack of ambition. i don't care if satan himself records my stuff, and it's not because i'm that desperate to be heard. i'm developing this new idea of not having any ideas and seeing where it goes.

even if i never write another song, what if i could retire off of one? pull a Rimbaud and quit writing at the age of 25? don't most people wish their favorite bands would stop before they began?

 

[The Magic Fairy]

Bang bang shoot shoot

Couldn't resist. Wink.

TMF x

 

[dumb ass]

T.O.M.

> look, what is it that you want?

> and i'm only asking it rhetorically because whatever it is, you
> ain't getting it.

ahh uh ok.. well.. you gave me sarcastic, boring, and retarded answers (in that order) to my questions, which were asked in an attempt to have a "conversation" .. but you seem to enjoy acting childish instead.. which is fine. I just don't see why you take the time in a previous posting to lament over your 'old' age, and then regress to snide, pubescent remarks.

 

[Fabricio]

Re: a warm gun

> yes, computers need to toughen up and seek counseling

hehehe... this one was find...

> no. i haven't had her for too long, and she was already sort of
> a stray to begin with. I guess she migrates and moves on..

Did she already return:

> so, how is their language superior?

We talk about English, don`t we? Well, the English is superior because we are writing in English and not in French...

> i can't tell you where some of mine came from. some of them
> arrived on the slow boat to Virginia around the time Shakespeare
> was writing his plays, and of course, they didn't do a good job
> of documenting things

Oh sure, they didn`t do a good job in documenting things at that time - I have no idea of where were my ancestors at Shakespeare time...

> i guess. now, it means i can't procrastinate with good reason!

hehehe... you have to lose it again... ))

> but you see, i can see very well in the dark, usually.

Really? I don`t. It seems that myopic people see less at night than the others.

> yes, you know where things are, and you don't stub your toes on
> odd things lying around.

Yes, it will be fine when I won`t lose a thing.

> i've given up and am heading for slackerdom!

Oh... but we never really give up, did we?

> it usually doesn't work like that.

What is not like that? Do you mean everybody loses control when drink alcohol or that the most correct is having some self control?

> that he is a twit!

> but likeable in his twitty way.

I don`t think Morrissey is twit. He just do things his own way - and I don`t understand most of his movements indeed.

> tell me about it. just when you think you have his logic figured
> out, suddenly he throws someting else in.

Yes, Morrissey always make things in a completely conscient way, I think. His unpredictable character has a logic in itself.

> well, i am! I can't really remember any other time in my
> life...besides my teenage years...where i was just sort of lying
> around with no concept of whether it gets better or worse from
> here.

Oh... It seems difficult to say anything about it... but anyway how were you better times?

> i think it works for some people as those people can count on
> certain things.

> i need to sleep. i got accidentally sucked into hanging out. i
> brought my guitar...i taught them one of my songs...and
> heh...and you're not going to like it...but it's like, who cares
> at this point? AS i said, this is a period of lack of ambition.
> i don't care if satan himself records my stuff, and it's not
> because i'm that desperate to be heard. i'm developing this new
> idea of not having any ideas and seeing where it goes.

I don`t understand why you said I wouldn`t like it. If I was a musician I would certainly made some enormous efforts to make my music heard. And I have a very strange musical taste, you know. I use to like the oddest things.

> even if i never write another song, what if i could retire off
> of one? pull a Rimbaud and quit writing at the age of 25? don't
> most people wish their favorite bands would stop before they
> began?

All this seems quite romantic. For example the film I like the most, a Brazilian one called "Limite" (limit) were made in 1931 by Mario Peixoto, a 23 years old guy. He died when he was eighty-four years old and he never made another film. It`s Art, it`s great, it`s strong - but it`s a little bit sad too.

 

[suzanne]

Re: a warm gun

> hehehe... this one was find...

> Did she already return:

Fabricio, it's been week and a half. If she shows up, i will be shocked.

i keep thinking these stupid neighborhood cats that got into fights with her chased her off.

> We talk about English, don`t we? Well, the English is superior
> because we are writing in English and not in French...

i thought you meant German was superior.

But you also speak portugeuese which is an offshoot of latin, which a good chunk of the world speaks latin based languages.

do you think English will evolve like that?

> Oh sure, they didn`t do a good job in documenting things at that
> time - I have no idea of where were my ancestors at Shakespeare
> time...

i didn't either...but thanks to the internet, you find things from people who actually live in those areas, and have the time to be more obsessive about it than myself.

> hehehe... you have to lose it again... ))

> Really? I don`t. It seems that myopic people see less at night
> than the others.

it seems that myopic people see less, period.

sorry :^)

> Yes, it will be fine when I won`t lose a thing.

> Oh... but we never really give up, did we?

> What is not like that? Do you mean everybody loses control when
> drink alcohol or that the most correct is having some self
> control?

As someone once said about me, I'm not crazy when I drink. I go straight from having a buzz to puking. I've never had a blackout, I've never been so sloppily drunk where i didn't know what I was saying or didn't know i was doing something dumb.

From what i notice about most people, they use alcohol as an excuse to do something. They start doing things because they know they can turn around and blame it on booze if people think they were doing something dumb. That's why I never buy those stories about frat guys getting too drunk to know they were raping a girl. They wanted to do it, anyway.

> I don`t think Morrissey is twit. He just do things his own way -
> and I don`t understand most of his movements indeed.

> Yes, Morrissey always make things in a completely conscient way,
> I think. His unpredictable character has a logic in itself.

whatever it is, i give up on finding what the point is. what i say is go with the flow and relax. i mean, jeez, he's been at this for several years that you think he would learn how to relax and have fun with it instead of turning it all into a pointless cruscade.

the journalists? the journalists are what they are. i've talked to a couple of them in my life. all in all, i don't mind them.

the whole Heir Apparent deal? You can't see anyone leaving from the railway station because there is nobody there. There is not a little moon by Neptune that produces those sorts of people, and I'm glad he feels like he's an institution in himself, but let's be realistic. It's just him all over again, and he needs to get his caboose out there and chug it for us....

there are sometimes when you are too blockheaded about the point that you don't open your eyes and see what is really happening.

> Oh... It seems difficult to say anything about it... but anyway
> how were you better times?

i didn't say they were better, i just said i'm reminded of them.

but you remember that? when you were young and you just didn't care and all you thought about were the toys lying right in front of you.

> I don`t understand why you said I wouldn`t like it.

...

>If I was a
> musician I would certainly made some enormous efforts to make my
> music heard. And I have a very strange musical taste, you know.
> I use to like the oddest things.

but what is so odd about what you listen to? is it in relation to what people around here listen? Who cares! Most of the groups you name off, I've heard of. If, for example, you said you only listened to the works of GG Allin, I would be taken aback.

> All this seems quite romantic. For example the film I like the
> most, a Brazilian one called "Limite" (limit) were
> made in 1931 by Mario Peixoto, a 23 years old guy. He died when
> he was eighty-four years old and he never made another film.
> It`s Art, it`s great, it`s strong - but it`s a little bit sad
> too.

Let's not forget JD Salinger and Catcher in the Rye.

You know, sometimes you run out of things to say.

Writing is just like any other pursuit in life. You can grow tired of it. You might find something else that better expresses yourself, because writing is not the only art out there. Visually, you might have a lot to say that a book just won't do justice to.

It's weird how we have this idea that artists must remain artists for the rest of their lives. Most other people change jobs because they are tired of what they are doing, but being an artist is such a vicious cycle of egotism that it would be an insult to even be something else. It's not like Rimbaud was a failure for giving it up. In the end, he still wrote what he did. Then, he said that he ran out of things to say, and that's where it ended.

Of course, critics like to mercifully roast anyone who dares to stay longer than what they themselves wanted. I hate Matchbox 20, but I wont' stop anyone from seeing them because it would be a completely boring world if people were only allowed to show up to things that some moron from the newspaper liked. Not everyone has the stomach for indie music. I now understand that SXSW is nothing more than a collection of Pixie tribute bands.

But what you are up against are mentalities. Either way, artists are against a wall. They are expected to be the same, but provide something totally different all the time. And when you are stuck in that one rut of exploring your niche, anything else worthwhile you had to say gets washed away. After all, you're not making money with the experimental stuff. You're forced to behave one way, the money making way, or you lose you contract and are back playing in local dives after you get off work from your job at Kinko's Copies.

 

[Fabricio]

Re: a warm gun

> Fabricio, it's been week and a half. If she shows up, i will be
> shocked.

> i keep thinking these stupid neighborhood cats that got into
> fights with her chased her off.

I have never had a cat, but I think they have a really wild life.

That`s why Morrissey likes them.

> i thought you meant German was superior.

Oh, you said most Americans think they are superior and I agreed with them.

But I know I wasn`t clear....

> But you also speak portugeuese which is an offshoot of latin,
> which a good chunk of the world speaks latin based languages.

> do you think English will evolve like that?

I think English is a good world based language because it has latin origins as well as germanic ones. English had an excellent development in the past, and I don`t think it will develop differently in the future.

> i didn't either...but thanks to the internet, you find things
> from people who actually live in those areas, and have the time
> to be more obsessive about it than myself.

Oh, but I`m not so obsessive about my past - everything i know I knew by my parents.

Anyway, I am obsessed by the Nazi period, what is someway related to my own past. Well, not very much.

> it seems that myopic people see less, period.

> sorry :^)

No, it seems myopic people with glasses seem very well during day - but not so well during the night.

> As someone once said about me, I'm not crazy when I drink. I go
> straight from having a buzz to puking. I've never had a
> blackout, I've never been so sloppily drunk where i didn't know
> what I was saying or didn't know i was doing something dumb.

The time i drank (I never drank much really), I was just like you.

This is what I wouldn`t want if I drank someday - I would like to lose myself completely.

Well, just a crazy idea. I know I`ll never do it.

> From what i notice about most people, they use alcohol as an
> excuse to do something. They start doing things because they
> know they can turn around and blame it on booze if people think
> they were doing something dumb. That's why I never buy those
> stories about frat guys getting too drunk to know they were
> raping a girl. They wanted to do it, anyway.

Oh, I agree completely with you. I even saw some people making agressive things with a glass of whisky - but they didn`t drink anything... They just wantend to justify the agressive actions they really wanted to do.

> whatever it is, i give up on finding what the point is. what i
> say is go with the flow and relax. i mean, jeez, he's been at
> this for several years that you think he would learn how to
> relax and have fun with it instead of turning it all into a
> pointless cruscade.

I really think he`s being going with the flow and relaxing...

> the journalists? the journalists are what they are. i've talked
> to a couple of them in my life. all in all, i don't mind them.

I know exactly what you are meaning...

> the whole Heir Apparent deal? You can't see anyone leaving from
> the railway station because there is nobody there. There is not
> a little moon by Neptune that produces those sorts of people,
> and I'm glad he feels like he's an institution in himself, but
> let's be realistic. It's just him all over again, and he needs
> to get his caboose out there and chug it for us....

I understand he is the same as ever, but this is exactly the Morrissey we like, isn`t he?

> there are sometimes when you are too blockheaded about the point
> that you don't open your eyes and see what is really happening.

Well, sometimes I think I open my eyes and I see what is really happening, to be honest. "I know what I see and I rock", this is what Greasetea told about me.

Am I like this?

> i didn't say they were better, i just said i'm reminded of them.

> but you remember that? when you were young and you just didn't
> care and all you thought about were the toys lying right in
> front of you.

When I was a teenager I regretted terribly I wasn`t a child anymore. This was one of the most painful thoughts I had.

Anyway, I don`t think about it anymore.

> ...

> but what is so odd about what you listen to? is it in relation
> to what people around here listen? Who cares! Most of the groups
> you name off, I've heard of. If, for example, you said you only
> listened to the works of GG Allin, I would be taken aback.

GG Allin is really scaring.

Anyway, what I was trying to tell you is that I like the most different styles of music - so I may like the group with which you talked.

> Let's not forget JD Salinger and Catcher in the Rye.

> You know, sometimes you run out of things to say.

> Writing is just like any other pursuit in life. You can grow
> tired of it. You might find something else that better expresses
> yourself, because writing is not the only art out there.
> Visually, you might have a lot to say that a book just won't do
> justice to.

> It's weird how we have this idea that artists must remain
> artists for the rest of their lives. Most other people change
> jobs because they are tired of what they are doing, but being an
> artist is such a vicious cycle of egotism that it would be an
> insult to even be something else. It's not like Rimbaud was a
> failure for giving it up. In the end, he still wrote what he
> did. Then, he said that he ran out of things to say, and that's
> where it ended.

Well, i think you really have the correct idea.

But when I think about Mario Peixoto (Limite`s director) I see he ended his life in a very sadly way.

Well, I may be wrong, and he was a somewhat weird character too.

> Of course, critics like to mercifully roast anyone who dares to
> stay longer than what they themselves wanted. I hate Matchbox
> 20, but I wont' stop anyone from seeing them because it would be
> a completely boring world if people were only allowed to show up
> to things that some moron from the newspaper liked.

Oh great! You know I agree with you.

And it`s good to see sometimes the critics hating a band they say it was wonderful five years before...

>Not everyone
> has the stomach for indie music. I now understand that SXSW is
> nothing more than a collection of Pixie tribute bands.

I don`t have stomach for indie music but Belle and Sebastian.

I prefer Snoop Doggy Dogg, Robert Johnson and Schubert.

> But what you are up against are mentalities. Either way, artists
> are against a wall. They are expected to be the same, but
> provide something totally different all the time. And when you
> are stuck in that one rut of exploring your niche, anything else
> worthwhile you had to say gets washed away. After all, you're
> not making money with the experimental stuff. You're forced to
> behave one way, the money making way, or you lose you contract
> and are back playing in local dives after you get off work from
> your job at Kinko's Copies.

It`s the old Artist`s dilemma... quality against money.

Some artists have the good luck of making money with a great quality work It was the case of Beatles and Smiths.

It was not the case of Mario Peixoto, unfortunately - but his Art remains.

 

[suzanne]

and you've got everything now....

> I have never had a cat, but I think they have a really wild
> life.

> That`s why Morrissey likes them.

hey, i guess it came in handy as i didn't have to board her, but i blew town for a couple of days, went back to the old house, and saw a guy i hadn't seen in nearly 5 years. since he keeps up with everyone we went to high school with, and i kept up with nobody...thus it took me a while to remember most of their names.... it was interesting to find out that nearly everyone is married and has just finished their master's and law degrees.

well, i guess i was always odd in relation to most of them anyway....]

oh, please don't make me go to work tomorrow! these past few days were the happiest i've been all year long.

> Oh, you said most Americans think they are superior and I agreed
> with them.

> But I know I wasn`t clear....

> I think English is a good world based language because it has
> latin origins as well as germanic ones. English had an excellent
> development in the past, and I don`t think it will develop
> differently in the future.

Fabricio, all languages evolve. That's why you are speaking Portuguese and not Latin.

> Oh, but I`m not so obsessive about my past - everything i know I
> knew by my parents.

it's fun if you're bored.

> Anyway, I am obsessed by the Nazi period, what is someway
> related to my own past. Well, not very much.

if they left before the Nazis, then yes....

> No, it seems myopic people with glasses seem very well during
> day - but not so well during the night.

joke, Fabricio....

> The time i drank (I never drank much really), I was just like
> you.

i've learned to balance myself.

> This is what I wouldn`t want if I drank someday - I would like
> to lose myself completely.

if you're lucky enough to do it, then go ahead. you might be in that lucky group where your brain stops functioning

> Well, just a crazy idea. I know I`ll never do it.

> Oh, I agree completely with you. I even saw some people making
> agressive things with a glass of whisky - but they didn`t drink
> anything... They just wantend to justify the agressive actions
> they really wanted to do.

i saw that this past week.

i used to live in what they term a "dry county" which means that in the county i lived in, they sold no alcohol whatsoever. If you wanted it, you had to drive somewhere else and bring it back.

they sort of loosened up those laws just a bit by only allowing it to be sold in certain restaurants like Bennigans', but you had to become a "private member" of a club...which meant basically, filling out a slip of paper with your name...no dues, but this made it legal in some weird sense. I went there with my friend and saw some really obnoxiously loud girls hanging around in front, acting more drunk than what they were, and I thought to myself, "thank god I live in a place where they sell alcohol everywhere and nobody feels the need to act like this"

> I really think he`s being going with the flow and relaxing...

> I know exactly what you are meaning...

> I understand he is the same as ever, but this is exactly the
> Morrissey we like, isn`t he?

*sigh*

> Well, sometimes I think I open my eyes and I see what is really
> happening, to be honest. "I know what I see and I
> rock", this is what Greasetea told about me.

*cough*

> Am I like this?

*sneeze*

> When I was a teenager I regretted terribly I wasn`t a child
> anymore. This was one of the most painful thoughts I had.

i didn't care about that too much. i was actually sort of fascinated to see what i;ve been missing out on.

> Anyway, what I was trying to tell you is that I like the most
> different styles of music - so I may like the group with which
> you talked.

lots of people do it. you aren't the only freak out there :^)

> Well, i think you really have the correct idea.

> But when I think about Mario Peixoto (Limite`s director) I see
> he ended his life in a very sadly way.

well, whatever he finds most important is OK. Nobody should be forced to do anything.

> Well, I may be wrong, and he was a somewhat weird character too.

> Oh great! You know I agree with you.

> And it`s good to see sometimes the critics hating a band they
> say it was wonderful five years before...

may not be the same people reviewing them. they get put out to pasture really quick

> It`s the old Artist`s dilemma... quality against money.

but if you do something that expresses yourself freely and nobody likes it, you may not have as much time to devote yourself to it because you will have to work a boring day job which takes away precious hours.

> Some artists have the good luck of making money with a great
> quality work It was the case of Beatles and Smiths.

the very few....

 

[Fabricio]

Re: and you've got everything now....

> hey, i guess it came in handy as i didn't have to board her, but
> i blew town for a couple of days, went back to the old house,
> and saw a guy i hadn't seen in nearly 5 years. since he keeps up
> with everyone we went to high school with, and i kept up with
> nobody...thus it took me a while to remember most of their
> names....

I seldom can remember anyone`s names, and most people that remember my name make me ashamed because I don`t remember theirs...

These days sometimes I simply give up of remembering most of names of people and artists I used to remember...

>it was interesting to find out that nearly everyone is
> married and has just finished their master's and law degrees.

> well, i guess i was always odd in relation to most of them
> anyway....]

and how you feel in relation to them now?

Well, I used to have an odd relation with everybody when I was younger. Now i simply don`t care in most cases.

> oh, please don't make me go to work tomorrow! .

September 7 is the National Date of Brazil, and September 8 is a Curitiba holiday. Tomorrow (Saturday) and Sunday i won`t work too. These have been very good days for me too!

> these past few
> days were the happiest i've been all year long

Oh, great! I feel happy for you!

> Fabricio, all languages evolve. That's why you are speaking
> Portuguese and not Latin.

I know it but nowadays English is a so Worldly based language, and English is so related with so many languages that it seems that English will remain the same because all pressures towards it seem to make it stable.

I don`t know - just another crazy idea.

> it's fun if you're bored.

hehehe - I always used to think all people that think their ancestors are important really boring ones.

Perhaps I am becoming another boring one.

> if they left before the Nazis, then yes....

I don`t know. The wholle Nazi thing is so enormously cruel that sometimes I think I have some bad genetic characteristic, because of my German Ancestors.

Another crazy idea - the few "real" Germans I knew were excellent people.

> joke, Fabricio....

Oh...

> i've learned to balance myself.

How much do you use to drink? I wish to know how much is a good balance. Perhaps I`ll begin to drink sometimes, I don`t know.

> if you're lucky enough to do it, then go ahead. you might be in
> that lucky group where your brain stops functioning

Yes... losing myself completely can be very very dangerous...

> i saw that this past week.

> i used to live in what they term a "dry county" which
> means that in the county i lived in, they sold no alcohol
> whatsoever. If you wanted it, you had to drive somewhere else
> and bring it back.

In Brazil there are some National laws and I think the more important one says nobody under 18 are allowed to buy alcohol.

Anyway it seems nobody respect this law in Brazil.

> they sort of loosened up those laws just a bit by only allowing
> it to be sold in certain restaurants like Bennigans', but you
> had to become a "private member" of a club...which
> meant basically, filling out a slip of paper with your name...no
> dues, but this made it legal in some weird sense. I went there
> with my friend and saw some really obnoxiously loud girls
> hanging around in front, acting more drunk than what they were,
> and I thought to myself, "thank god I live in a place where
> they sell alcohol everywhere and nobody feels the need to act
> like this"

I liked the story. Very very interesting comments!

> *sigh*

Oh, Morrissey is great...

> *cough*

> *sneeze*

hehehehe... I still don`t know what you think of my questions, but I really laughed about your opinions...

> i didn't care about that too much. i was actually sort of
> fascinated to see what i;ve been missing out on.

Missing out on when exactly?

> lots of people do it. you aren't the only freak out there :^)

Well, I never knew a person that likes the same manner Belle and Sebastian, John Lee Hooker, Massive Attack, Snoop Dogg, Robert Johnson, Ramones, João Gilberto, Black Sabbath, Schubert, Dr. Dre, Madredeus, Beatles, Lightnin`Hopkins and Bach...

Of course Morrissey is much above for me.

> well, whatever he finds most important is OK. Nobody should be
> forced to do anything.

I don`t know really if he wanted to do more things or not (well, he even, to be exact, wrote a novel and some poems too).

Anyway, Limite seems a complete and perfect film. If he made other good films Limite would be the best Brazilian film ever all the same. I think he really did his best as an Artist.

> may not be the same people reviewing them. they get put out to
> pasture really quick

> but if you do something that expresses yourself freely and
> nobody likes it, you may not have as much time to devote
> yourself to it because you will have to work a boring day job
> which takes away precious hours.

Yes... now you are correct, but there are exceptions. The best writers Brazil ever had (Machado de Assis and Guimarães Rosa) had another job.

I just don`t know how they did it.

> the very few....

 

[suzanne]

Re: and you've got everything now....

> I seldom can remember anyone`s names, and most people that
> remember my name make me ashamed because I don`t remember
> theirs...

not only could i not really remember their names, but it also dredged up something else. I swear the morning that I had to get up to go back to work yesterday, that when I hit my alarm, I could not remember what I was waking up for, and I actually thought that maybe I was going to school.

> These days sometimes I simply give up of remembering most of
> names of people and artists I used to remember...

> and how you feel in relation to them now?

even more different, but at the same time, i don't really feel much of a need to keep up with them.

Even though I was weird, school was a bit of an equalizer to where we were doing much of the same thing. Now, we've all escaped, and as far as their careers and love interests go, I lag way behind most of them. I wish I could brag and claim I was doing something.

> Well, I used to have an odd relation with everybody when I was
> younger. Now i simply don`t care in most cases.

> September 7 is the National Date of Brazil, and September 8 is a
> Curitiba holiday. Tomorrow (Saturday) and Sunday i won`t work
> too. These have been very good days for me too!

well, good!

> Oh, great! I feel happy for you!

and it was neat because tonight was the first time in a long time where I felt like going to a live music venue. most of the time, I was hoping people would pick low energy things to do like sit around and drink.

> I know it but nowadays English is a so Worldly based language,
> and English is so related with so many languages that it seems
> that English will remain the same because all pressures towards
> it seem to make it stable.

But the thing is that English is assimilated in a way that makes sense to the locals. I speak differently than both the northerners and the English, and I know for certain the Scots.

> I don`t know - just another crazy idea.

> hehehe - I always used to think all people that think their
> ancestors are important really boring ones.

> Perhaps I am becoming another boring one.

heh...but you're not dead yet. you could do something incredibly interesting.

i have lots of interesting ancestors. one was run out of North Carolina for killing a guy....

> I don`t know. The wholle Nazi thing is so enormously cruel that
> sometimes I think I have some bad genetic characteristic,
> because of my German Ancestors.

well, let's phrase it this way:

do you think the portuguese, or whoever were the first Europeans to Brazil, were very nice to the people already living there?

> Another crazy idea - the few "real" Germans I knew
> were excellent people.

they make great cars as well.

> Oh...

> How much do you use to drink? I wish to know how much is a good
> balance. Perhaps I`ll begin to drink sometimes, I don`t know.

I'm opportunistic. Rarely I drink on my own. Sometimes I can go weeks with not wanting to taste it.

> Yes... losing myself completely can be very very dangerous...

not if it's in a good way!

> In Brazil there are some National laws and I think the more
> important one says nobody under 18 are allowed to buy alcohol.

here, it's 21. They still check my ID.

> Anyway it seems nobody respect this law in Brazil.

Just like Britain. They say its 18, but I don't think they actually card anyone.

> Missing out on when exactly?

had i been sucked into that vortex.

> Well, I never knew a person that likes the same manner Belle and
> Sebastian, John Lee Hooker, Massive Attack, Snoop Dogg, Robert
> Johnson, Ramones, João Gilberto, Black Sabbath, Schubert, Dr.
> Dre, Madredeus, Beatles, Lightnin`Hopkins and Bach...

In that order?

> Of course Morrissey is much above for me.

> I don`t know really if he wanted to do more things or not (well,
> he even, to be exact, wrote a novel and some poems too).

well, there ya go...

> Anyway, Limite seems a complete and perfect film. If he made
> other good films Limite would be the best Brazilian film ever
> all the same. I think he really did his best as an Artist.

sometimes perfection is the worst writer's block. You marvel at what you've done and can't imagine topping it, so everything you write from that point on has to meet or break that standard.

 

[Fabricio]

Re: and you've got everything now....

> not only could i not really remember their names, but it also
> dredged up something else. I swear the morning that I had to get
> up to go back to work yesterday, that when I hit my alarm, I
> could not remember what I was waking up for, and I actually
> thought that maybe I was going to school.

Interesting story indeed. It seems like a return in time.

Anyway, interesting too was the fact I dreamt about you last night. I dreamt you were in Curitiba and I was oh so happy I knew you.

Suddenly you asked me when you had tickets to return to Austin. I said you had to stay two weeks more - then you began to desperatly cry. And I woke up.

> even more different, but at the same time, i don't really feel
> much of a need to keep up with them.

> Even though I was weird, school was a bit of an equalizer to
> where we were doing much of the same thing. Now, we've all
> escaped, and as far as their careers and love interests go, I
> lag way behind most of them. I wish I could brag and claim I was
> doing something.

This weekend I read a little bit of a Brazilian book written by a female humour group called 02Neurônio. The text was just about the reunion you had with your ex-friends: everybody from School`s time were already married with children and the woman who wrote the text wasn`t. So she counseled every women in the same reunion to talk in a very modern language because normally married people can`t understand modern terms.

> well, good!

Oh, it`s Sunday night now and I have to work too much tomorrow...

But the holidays were good.

> and it was neat because tonight was the first time in a long
> time where I felt like going to a live music venue. most of the
> time, I was hoping people would pick low energy things to do
> like sit around and drink.

It`s very good to feel ourselves alive, isn`t it?

> But the thing is that English is assimilated in a way that makes
> sense to the locals. I speak differently than both the
> northerners and the English, and I know for certain the Scots.

Ok, but I think that there`ll be a certain "Universal English", as Italian and German languages had to create official languages due the enormous diversity of Italian and German dialects. I think the creation of this "universal" language will be nevessary due the universality of English.

> heh...but you're not dead yet. you could do something incredibly
> interesting.

I know you probably were not ironic but I can`t help myself of being ironic towards myself... "Oh, this is Fabricio and I`ll have some importance..."

> i have lots of interesting ancestors. one was run out of North
> Carolina for killing a guy....

Me too. Brusamolin, my mother`s single name means "mill`s firer" in an Italian dialect...

> well, let's phrase it this way:

> do you think the portuguese, or whoever were the first Europeans
> to Brazil, were very nice to the people already living there?

Ok, but this was so far ago - the Germans made very bad things too recently for my taste...

> they make great cars as well.

They made marvelous music and poetry. Well, i know some of their music but pratically anything of their poetry...

> I'm opportunistic. Rarely I drink on my own. Sometimes I can go
> weeks with not wanting to taste it.

This is excellent.

> not if it's in a good way!

What do you define by a good way of losing myself?

> here, it's 21. They still check my ID.

You seem yourself less than you are?

> Just like Britain. They say its 18, but I don't think they
> actually card anyone.

Oh, I feel easy thinking Britain is someway similar to Brazil...

> had i been sucked into that vortex.

> In that order?

It changes from day (or week) to day (or week).

> well, there ya go...

so...?

> sometimes perfection is the worst writer's block. You marvel at
> what you've done and can't imagine topping it, so everything you
> write from that point on has to meet or break that standard.

Yes, i read somewhere that this is exactly the case of Mario Peixoto. He gave up of directing films because he knew he would never do something as good as Limite and then he began to write an obsessive novel called O inútil de cada um - with not so good results, it seems.

 

[suzanne]

Re: and you've got everything now....

> Interesting story indeed. It seems like a return in time.

> Anyway, interesting too was the fact I dreamt about you last
> night. I dreamt you were in Curitiba and I was oh so happy I
> knew you.

> Suddenly you asked me when you had tickets to return to Austin.
> I said you had to stay two weeks more - then you began to
> desperatly cry. And I woke up.

What did you have me prisoner somewhere?

funny, here is a weird dream i had last night (but unrelated to this, of course):

I dreamed that there was this nut case living in the unit below me. No matter where I was, inside or out, he was always trying to come after me.

I was outside at one point and ran into one of the other units below me, and I believe my sister was there. She told me to take 100 cat hairs and start singing a lullabye and he would leave. Sure enough, I do that and he walks off in a trance back to his place. I was relieved, but he came back. I couldn't figure it out until she pointed out to me that I was not paying any attention and dropped all of the cat hairs on the floor. I started gathering them up, and he left just in time.

I was then outside in my car parked along the street that night trying to figure out if I should stay in a hotel or run inside. Then, a blue and white Blazer swings around me and hits the wall of the opposite end of my apartment. It doesn't break the wall. It moves that half of the condo off the slab by 2 feet. The guy drives off and I see he has the girl who lives on the other side by the hair and he looks at me and I duck down, but the noise wakes up the crazy guy and he comes out.

I'm not in my car anymore, and so it just so happens that the nursing home across the street from me had left a blue and white motorized wheelchair with a handicap sign on the back outside of their gates and on the sidewalk I was standing on. I jump on it, turn it on, and it speeds down the street.

I start playing with the gears to see if it would go any faster, but it slowed down instead, and that's when he grabbed the back handle.

I turn around and it's broad daylight and there was lots of road construction going on. One of the workers comes up as I'm freaking out, and he asks if there's some problem. He then sends the head waiter over and he tells the crazy guy that it will be $4 for him, and $3.99 for myself...

and that's where I wake up.

> This weekend I read a little bit of a Brazilian book written by
> a female humour group called 02Neurônio. The text was just about
> the reunion you had with your ex-friends: everybody from
> School`s time were already married with children and the woman
> who wrote the text wasn`t. So she counseled every women in the
> same reunion to talk in a very modern language because normally
> married people can`t understand modern terms.

Yes! As I've said, most married people don't feel the need to keep up with the outside world because they already have someone.

> Oh, it`s Sunday night now and I have to work too much
> tomorrow...

> But the holidays were good.

> It`s very good to feel ourselves alive, isn`t it?

Yes, I wish I could do it more...

> Ok, but I think that there`ll be a certain "Universal
> English", as Italian and German languages had to create
> official languages due the enormous diversity of Italian and
> German dialects. I think the creation of this
> "universal" language will be nevessary due the
> universality of English.

There are dialects of English. English-English, American English, Scottish-English....

True, they aren't very diverse compared to high and low german, but you can't deny that something about them is inherently different than the other.

> I know you probably were not ironic but I can`t help myself of
> being ironic towards myself... "Oh, this is Fabricio and
> I`ll have some importance..."

Me too!

Sometimes I hate being like everybody else, but you also get the advantages of being just like everybody else.....like walking down the street dressed as you like and nobody cares.

> Me too. Brusamolin, my mother`s single name means "mill`s
> firer" in an Italian dialect...

Are we talking about Murder, or the trade of Milling?

> Ok, but this was so far ago - the Germans made very bad things
> too recently for my taste...

Everybody does bad things. Just about 50-60 years before the Germans got their great idea, White Americans just finished with a genocide much worse than the Germans....the Indians.

> They made marvelous music and poetry. Well, i know some of their
> music but pratically anything of their poetry...

> This is excellent.

> What do you define by a good way of losing myself?

I really don't know. Getting drunk does get unimaginative after a while.

> You seem yourself less than you are?

Oh yes. People think I'm still roughly 18-21.

> Oh, I feel easy thinking Britain is someway similar to Brazil...

> It changes from day (or week) to day (or week).

> so...?

that's it.

> Yes, i read somewhere that this is exactly the case of Mario
> Peixoto. He gave up of directing films because he knew he would
> never do something as good as Limite and then he began to write
> an obsessive novel called O inútil de cada um - with not so good
> results, it seems.

Oh well. He tried.

 

[Fabricio]

Re: and you've got everything now....

> What did you have me prisoner somewhere?

hehehe... no... you went to Curitiba to visit me but you`ve completely repented for what you`ve done...

> funny, here is a weird dream i had last night (but unrelated to
> this, of course):

> I dreamed that there was this nut case living in the unit below
> me. No matter where I was, inside or out, he was always trying
> to come after me.

> I was outside at one point and ran into one of the other units
> below me, and I believe my sister was there. She told me to take
> 100 cat hairs and start singing a lullabye and he would leave.

this was fine...

> Sure enough, I do that and he walks off in a trance back to his
> place. I was relieved, but he came back. I couldn't figure it
> out until she pointed out to me that I was not paying any
> attention and dropped all of the cat hairs on the floor. I
> started gathering them up, and he left just in time.

> I was then outside in my car parked along the street that night
> trying to figure out if I should stay in a hotel or run inside.
> Then, a blue and white Blazer swings around me and hits the wall
> of the opposite end of my apartment. It doesn't break the wall.
> It moves that half of the condo off the slab by 2 feet. The guy
> drives off and I see he has the girl who lives on the other side
> by the hair and he looks at me and I duck down, but the noise
> wakes up the crazy guy and he comes out.

> I'm not in my car anymore, and so it just so happens that the
> nursing home across the street from me had left a blue and white
> motorized wheelchair with a handicap sign on the back outside of
> their gates and on the sidewalk I was standing on. I jump on it,
> turn it on, and it speeds down the street.

> I start playing with the gears to see if it would go any faster,
> but it slowed down instead, and that's when he grabbed the back
> handle.

> I turn around and it's broad daylight and there was lots of road
> construction going on. One of the workers comes up as I'm
> freaking out, and he asks if there's some problem. He then sends
> the head waiter over and he tells the crazy guy that it will be
> $4 for him, and $3.99 for myself...

> and that's where I wake up.

oh, what a scary dream indeed... when the worker said it to you you were too affraid. How did you wake up?

Are you still affraid of this crazy guy? I understand you, this is terrible...

> Yes! As I've said, most married people don't feel the need to
> keep up with the outside world because they already have
> someone.

Yes this is a mistake sometimes... but frequently we just haven`t the time to see the world outside. Our children occupy almost all our time...

> Yes, I wish I could do it more...

Did you do it again? I will be happy if so.

> There are dialects of English. English-English, American
> English, Scottish-English....

It seems that some dialects in Portugal are more different towards other ones than the "normal" Portuguese from Portugal in relation to the Brazilian Portuguese. In Brazil there`s not much difference among the Portuguese spoken in different regions - I think this is because we lve in a new country.

> True, they aren't very diverse compared to high and low german,
> but you can't deny that something about them is inherently
> different than the other.

Certainly - this is why the world will develop a standard English, I think - and this language will tend to be stable.

> Me too!

> Sometimes I hate being like everybody else, but you also get the
> advantages of being just like everybody else.....like walking
> down the street dressed as you like and nobody cares.

Oh, certainly.

Anyway, I don`t think about being famous anymore - it was an obseession of mine when I was younger, but I simply don`t care about it anymore.

> Are we talking about Murder, or the trade of Milling?

The Bruzamolins ("Mill`s firer) were people who put fire in mills - they probably have killed one or two people...

> Everybody does bad things. Just about 50-60 years before the
> Germans got their great idea, White Americans just finished with
> a genocide much worse than the Germans....the Indians.

Oh yeah - I`ve never thought about it - and you are probably correct now.

Anyway, the Americans wanted to conquer the Indians` territory, what did`nt happen with the Nazis.

But I don`t know.

> I really don't know. Getting drunk does get unimaginative after
> a while.

This may be good sometimes... but not all the time, for sure!

> Oh yes. People think I'm still roughly 18-21.

Oh, this is very very good, don`t you think?

> that's it.

> Oh well. He tried.

Anyway, I forgot to say something about Mario Peixoto that is completely related with our conversations: he was a very rich man - he had time to write 12 hours a day. He wanted to be a new Marcel Proust (who was very rich too), I think.