Archive : Oct 01 - 30, 1998
- Morrissey appeals 1996 decision to Mike Joyce
- "Seasick, Yet Still Docked" - was there a video?
Thanks to Alainsane
for the pics of the Moz O' Lantern he created.
Check out his
website for more. From Alainsane:
...All one needs to do in order to
create a Moz O Lantern the way I did it
is to fine a pumpkin worthy photo. I went
into my MS Photo Editor and made a stamp of
the Severed Alliance picture. Then I made
some adjustments in Paint to make the
stamped picture a viable carving pattern,
e.g. I connected the brows, and connected
the nose to the cleft of the lip and
connected that to the upper lip. The
finished manipulated scan you see in black
an white on my computer screen in one of the
scanned photos. I printed it out at a size
to fill an 8.5" x 11" piece of
paper and taped it to the face of the
pumpkin. Then using my Wal-Mart gotten
pumpkin carving set. I poked little holes
all around the white areas (the portions to
be cut out). Then I played connect-the-dots
with the little saw and presto (5 hours
later) I had my Morrissey Jack OLantern.
This one was only my trial effort, and I
intend to do another the morning of
Halloween because pumpkin degredation sets
in very quickly. As it is, I have the
original in my freezer like some perverted
|The glowing pumpkin and
the original source
|Somebody see my
From a source close to the
He only stayed at the shoot for
about 1/2 hour - so there might be 5 mins of
footage to cut from (close-up only) and that
is a still from the day.
Court appeal -
decision expected around the end of November
Thanks to Grant Coleby for the following:
In both the NME
and Melody Maker this week
are short snippets about the court
appeal. Both papers basically say the
same thing: that the court heard evidence
from the relevant parties and have reserved
judgement on the final outcome. A
decision is expected sometime around the end
of November. The NME article also has
a small picture of Moz which looks
suspiciously like it was taken from the time
of the original case in 1996. Apart
from these articles I haven't found any
other item in the English national
newspapers about the appeal - but maybe
others have better eyesight than me.
And according to Naomi,
the NME article also mentions there will be
another as-yet-unscheduled hearing.
night in Chicago, Nov. 27
I am having a Morrissey/Smiths
night on the 27th of November in Chicago at
Delilahs 2771 North Lincoln Avenue from
9pm to 2am. I have attached the pre-event
Yet Still Docked" - was there a video?
Thanks to Imre from Hungary for the following:
Ive read rumours about the
"Seasick..." video before. It
Link to page on Director/Cameraman
"Seasick, Yet Still Docked"
Well, I don't know if
that's really proof, but if it the page is
factual and consistent, the picture above
would be a still from the video.
* 10/29 - followup from a source close to the
He only stayed at the shoot for
about 1/2 hour - so there might be 5 mins of
footage to cut from (close-up only) and that
is a still from the day.
signing report in MOJO
Thanks to Dave
for the notice:
There is a short report about the
recent signing session in this month's MOJO
(with a photo of Moz). It also reports on
the two hour radio show he did beforehand
and how he wants to be removed from his
contract with US Mercury.
* Speaking of the
Albuquerque radio interview - I have received
a copy and I hope to get it digitized within a
week or so.
And regarding Morrissey's contribution to the
New York Dolls production mentioned in the
last update, I have heard from another person
close to the matter that Morrissey hasn't
agreed yet and as of now it is at the 'very
Sources anonymous, but
reliable I am told. For your consideration:
...Morrisseys next project will
be a spoken word album (oh dear...?). The
BBC are making a "Where Are They
Now?" style documentary series about
significant eighties bands, including one
about The Smiths. Apparently theyve got
Johnny, Mike and Andy on board but (quite
sensibly?) Morrissey is steering clear. Not
much of a programme there then.
Rapido TV (makers of Rapido and Eurotrash)
are currently in production with a series
called Rock n Roll Babylon and have got
Morrissey to contribute to a piece on the
New York Dolls...
* 10/27 - another source
states that Morrissey has not agreed to
contribute to the New York Dolls piece, at the
moment it's at the 'very tentative' stage.
mentioned on NME.com
Thanks to Eddie for
letting me know there is a mention of the
court case on NME.com (not sure how Andy
Rourke got so involved all of a sudden). "Mozza
Morrissey returned to the
High Court in London this week to appeal
against the 1996 ruling that left him over a
million pounds poorer following a suit
brought by former Smiths members Andy Rourke
and Mike Joyce.
Rourke and Joyce sued Morrissey for
performing and recording royalties; their QC
claimed that Morrissey and Johnny Marr - the
songwriting team behind The Smiths - had
paid themselves four times as much as Joyce
and Rourke without their knowledge. The
appeal rests on a challenge to the
understanding of the judge in the original
case, Judge Weeks, about the original
agreement between the members of The Smiths.
The case continues.
review at fallout-magazine.com
Thanks to Adam
Lupercio for the link to the review at fallout-magazine.com. An excerpt:
...While most of these songs have heard
play before, most of them successfully
reintroduce themselves on this collection.
While the Enhanced CD is painfully empty, (A
video for "Sunny" and nothing
more) "My Early Burglary Years"
does have something that hasn't been seen by
the Morrissey of recent years, listenable,
Moz pic in
Thanks to Jennifer for the notice:
...there is a small picture of
Morrissey in the most recent issue of Cosmopolitan.
The page is just a test-your-80s music
trivia kind of quiz. Well, thats all Ive
to tell you.
Another one in
From Galen Clark:
The most recent issue of American
graphic design magazine "Print"
features the design of Swedish music
magazine "POP" and shows photo of
Vol 2 #3, with Morrissey on cover (black
& white with pink overlay).
Here's a link
to the translated interview from Jan. 1998.
Would you please spread the word
about These Charming Men...
the premier Smiths tribute band in the UK!
See them live in London:
Fri 11 Dec... The Venue,
New Cross, London SE14
tkts £3 before 9pm
Sat 12 Dec... The Red Eye,
Islington London N1
the closest to a live Smiths show as you'll
From The Stalls" - a first-hand account
of the court appearance
Much thanks to Naomi for the fine details from her
perspective of yesterday's court appearance - "The View From The
Stalls". An excerpt:
...In addition, it was argued that
the evidence of several accountants had been
ignored relating to the period 1986/7, when
the profit split had been clearly shown. The
so-called "Wool Hall meeting" of
May 1987 (i.e. when the band were recording
at the Wool Hall), was referred to quite
frequently, the point being that Mike Joyces
failure to protest at this point implied
that he agreed with the share of the profits
he was being given. It was also held that
there was a principle of inequality in the
band (not just in financial matters) which
had been evident to all from the very
"Without Morrissey and Marr there would
have been no Smiths"...
|BBC news report
on court appearance
Thanks to James
Finlayson for the report:
I work at BBC Radio - I just found
this report from Radio 5s evening news on
the court appearance and thought you might
18 31 Item 4 SMITHS IN
So, the moody rock star who brought hope to
millions of despairing teenagers has been at
the Appeal Court today.
Morrissey is appealing against a High Court
judges ruling that the former drummer of
the Smiths - Mike Joyce - should be entitled
to a quarter share of the bands earnings.
Morrisseys lawyers are claiming that
Joyce should have only got TEN percent -
made from performances and record royalties.
Drivetimes Mags Mackeans been watching
So, Mags, whats forming the basis
of Morrisseys argument??
** His lawyer Murray Rosen Qc is trying to
convince Lord Justices Peter Gibson, Thorpe
and Waller that Mike Joyce is only entitled
to a ten percent cut of the bands cash -
from record loyalties and performances. Not
the 25 percent share that a High Court judge
ruled back in December 1996. Its being
argued that Morrissey formed The Smiths with
his songwriting partner Johnny Marr - and
there was never an equal partnership with
Mike Joyce and bass guitarist Andy Rourke.
(he infact dropped out of the row after
being offered 83,000 grand back in 1989.)
The three appeal court judges were told
today Marr and Morrissey had sole charge of
the bands affairs, signed contracts and
organised the day-to-day business.
Mr Rosen QC told them, "They were The
Smiths. Joyce and Rourke had little or no
say other than performing with the
** So why then does Joyce reckon he
should have got more than he did?
Well, the original high court ruling found
in favour of Joyce - that hed never been
told hed get ten percent of the groups
earnings - which split up after five years
in 87. Joyce maintains he was never told
Marr and Morrissey would get forty percent
** so what did the Judge say in the
original High Court case then?
Morrissey was ordered to hand over around #1
The judge described him in the December 1996
ruling as "devious, truculent and
unreliable" when giving evidence. He
said he preferred the evidence of Joyce and
Andy Rourke that theyd never been told
theyd get just ten percent. Morrissey,
whos now working in the States, was at
the hearing which is expected to last up to
More court case
Thanks to hazard
for the following report from the Excite
website review of today's news. Thanks also to
Mckeon for a similar report from today's
Manchester Evening News, where the report
probably originated from:
POP STAR MORRISSEY FIGHTS COURT
last updated 21/10/98 17:02
A High Court judge made an "unjust and
gratuitous attack" on the character of
eighties pop hero Morrissey when he ordered
him to hand over around £1 million to
another former member of The Smiths, the
Court of Appeal has heard.
Murray Rosen QC, representing singer Stephen
[sic] Morrissey, said Judge Weeks' findings
that drummer Mike Joyce was entitled to a
quarter-share of the profits of the four-man
band was a "reflection of comments
against Mr Morrissey which were damaging and
The judge described Morrissey in his
December 1996 ruling as "devious,
truculent and unreliable" when giving
evidence. He preferred the evidence of Joyce
and bass guitarist Andy Rourke that they had
never been told they would receive only 10%
of the earnings of the band, which split
after five years in 1987.
Morrissey is now trying to convince Lord
Justices Peter Gibson, Thorpe and Waller
that the High Court ruling was wrong and
Joyce was entitled to only 10% of the band's
earnings from performances and record
Mr Rosen said The Smiths was formed by
Morrissey and his songwriting partner Johnny
Marr and there was never an equal
partnership with Joyce and Rourke, who
dropped out of the action after being
offered £83,000 in 1989.
Marr and Morrissey had sole charge of the
band's affairs, signed contracts and
organised the day-to-day business.
"They were The Smiths," said Mr
Rosen. "Joyce and Rourke had little or
no say other than performing with the
He claimed the bass player and drummer were
aware from the outset they would receive
only 10% of the band's profits and that Marr
and Morrissey would get 40% each. It was
agreed that Marr and Morrissey would share
all the song publishing royalties, estimated
at up to £3 million.
Mr Rosen said Judge Weeks had ignored the
evidence of accountant Pat Savage who had
told him that Rourke had confirmed his share
was 10% in the presence of Joyce.
The hearing continues.
Info from Grant:
The Moz/Joyce appeal will be heard
in Court 64 at 10:45 am tomorrow (21st). The
clerk who I spoke to said that Moz, Marr or
Joyce were unlikely to be there in person
and, instead, they will be represented by
their respective lawyers. Public gallery is
limited to about a dozen spaces plus
standing room on a first come-first served
basis. Apparently the court has been
inundated with requests for info from the
media so it looks like there will be several
reports in Wednesday's papers. The Royal
Court is situated in the Strand, WC2.
"...make sure to buy MEBY"
I saw Deftones in
Reno, Sept. 20th ... Chino
Moreno, the signer, who is known
for being a HUGE Morrissey fan covered 3
Morrissey songs. Right when the Deftones
came out Chino and Abe (the drummer) said
together "make sure to buy My Early
Burglary Years, its a must
have" and then played "Dai The
Flu". Deftones covered "Whatever
Happens, I Love You", "Sister,
Im a Poet" and closed with "Speedway".
Each cover was good, in my opinion, but each
song had certain lyrics changed, most
notable was at the end of
"Speedway" Chino rapped
"Life's a bitch, and then you die,
thats' why we get high, cause you never know
when you're gonna go".
Anyway thats my info on the Reno show and in
Last month's "Alternative
Press" which has Chino on the
cover with a black and white photo. He is
interviewed and says his biggest influences
were Nick Cave and Morrissey. His fav. band
of all time is the Smiths and a lil side
photo of the Smiths is shown in the article.
* 10/17 - Additonal note
I just wanted to let you know that
the little rap at the end of Deftones
"Speedway" cover are lyrics from a
Hip-Hop group named Mobb Deep...
From Ali Fard:
There is a feature this month in
Addicted to Noise that talks about the Rock-Haiku
Connection. Its a collection
of haikus by Michael Stipe,
Grant Lee Phillips and
their friends during their time on tour.
Here is a quote about the book: "The
results are poetic meditations on everything
from fear to hearing The Smiths on a
Starbucks sound system to "the littlest
ant in the world." I thought people
might find this amusing.
A Portland OR pop/punk band called The
No-Nos have a song called
"The Other" which talks about a
female pop star, I think, saying:
"Shes a modern day Audrey
A female Morrissey
She is stylish crass and careful
Shes the unknown quantity"
Its on their new Chromosome
Records release "Secret
Luminaries." Their website is www.theno-nos.com
if anyones interested. By the way, its
a great poppy garage album.
Alain Delon in
News regarding The
Queen Is Dead cover star from /dev/null:
I read in a news brief that
"French actor Alain Delon" is in
court this week, suing to prevent the
release of an unauthorized biography of his
life that he considers
Kind of tangental Morrissey relevance, but
Morrissey fan club
Swedish fans, contact Tommy
Gunnarsson for more info on a project
about to get started.
party - tonight in L.A.
I just read in the l.a. weekly
about an early burglary years release party
Sunday, October 18
Morrissey "My Early Burglary
Years" record release and giveaway DJ
Jason Lavitt"spinning gothic,
electro, new romantic, darkwave" El Rey
Theater: 5515 Wilshire Blvd (between La Brea
10 PM til 2 AM
$5 with flyer before 11 PM/ $19 after (!)
in San Francisco, Nov. 7
New Wave City will be doing a
Tribute to the Smiths in San Francisco on
Nov. 7th. Go to: http://www.newwavecity.com
for the details.
theme song - "How Soon Is Now?"
Thanks to the many people
who e-mailed about this one.
The WBs new show "Charmed"
with Alyssa Milano and Shannon Doherty
features a Smiths cover. The song during the
credits is "How Soon is
Now" covered by Love
Spit Love, the same one featured in
"The Craft". How
has Morrissey become so connected with
Thanks to Melinda Hsu for letting me know that her
great account (with lots of photos) from the
Albuquerque in-store is on her website. Check
duh Man (the short version!)
New Bomb Turks
From Anders Henningsen:
I was at a concert with American
punk rock band New Bomb Turks
here the other day.
When introducing a song from their new album
(cant remember the name of the album),
the vocalist said: "This is a song from
our latest album - Strangeways here we
He is known to be a fan of Morrissey and
Chris Isaak Just thought I could mention it.
* That took slightly longer
than expected. My apologies for the downtime -
technical difficulties have been resolved and
may it never happen again. Mail was down for
most of the time also so if your e-mail
bounced, please resend.
Thanks to everyone for your concern regarding
Joyce, Oct. 20 (or 21) court date
Thanks to Naomi
for the rescheduled court date, on the 20th,
or possibly the 21st of this month, taking
place in London. Morrissey is appealing the Dec. 1996 decision
which stated that he and Johnny Marr must pay
Mike Joyce 1 million pounds for past
royalties. Marr is not appealing the decision.
book - not out yet
Follow-up on yesterday's
item from Jens/Yeuz:
I got my info from www.bookshop.co.uk.
I already ordered a copy, but got a mail
today that it has not been published yet.
Will keep you informed.
on BBC's "Rock Family Trees"
Next Friday (ie. not tonight), the
BBCs "Rock Family Trees" takes
on the Manchester scene. I understand
it concentrates mainly on the Joy Division /
New Order axis, but theres sure to be a
Smiths mention or two in there somewhere.
* Reminder - this site
will be down for a while sometime this
weekend, hopefully not for too long. It will
be back on Sunday at the earliest.
|Andy Rourke book
published? - "Within and Without: 'The
Thanks to Yeuz for
the following info from sources unknown:
Within and without: "The
Smiths" ( UK Edition)
Author: Rourke, Andy
Price: £17.99 Sterling
Biblio: 23cm. Ill.
Published: August 1998
Publisher: Omnibus P
Duncan Sheik to
cover "Reel Around The Fountain"
Thanks to cut here for the following:
According to JAMtv, Duncan
Sheik is planning on covering "Reel
Around the Fountain" for an ep
included with his forthcoming album, Humming
(Oct. 6). The ep will only be
available at independent music stores.
Also covered on the ep
are Depeche Mode, David Sylvian, Nick Drake
travel guide in "The Atlantic
From Daniel Cox:
FYI, in the current issue of The
Atlantic Monthly there is a long-ish
travel article about Manchester, England,
talking about how central the clubs (like
Hacienda) and music industry are to its
economy and vitality.
The article is now on
the Atlantic Monthly website - "Saturday
Night at the Haçienda".
Online - The Smiths/Morrissey "Caught on
Sahlander, a link to Manchester Online's "Caught on the Web
-The Smiths/Morrissey" article. In their 'bi-weekly
look at what the online world thinks of a link
to Manchester, however tenuous it may
be," they seem to think most of it's
Weren't they that turgid lot way back
Absolute sacrilege dear boy. Especially on
the web. There is a stunning array of sites
devoted to THE grandpapas of every
Manchester band success story post-1989. In
fact, the slick haired one known as
Morrissey (or morose git even - oh sheer
blasphemy and flog me with a bunch of
gladioli) has almost unrivalled pop star
coverage on the net, with snappy
website titles such as "Maudlin
Street" and "Revelling in
Misery". There's a veritable community,
nay sect, nay cult, nay militia of
miserablism. Goodness. PANIC. In fact, panic
in the streets of Birmingham, panic in the
streets of Manchester, hang the DJ etc