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davidt
on Thursday January 08 2009, @11:00AM
Kewpie sends the link to the post in the forums by jesuisbryony (via Morrissey reddit) which relayed Jesse Tobias's MySpace status message:
"Jesse is pissed at the thieving bastards that leaked our record..."
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Jesse Tobias "pissed at the thieving bastards that leaked our record..." - MySpace status
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here's our status (Score:1, Funny)
Besides... (Score:1, Funny)
can't blame Jesse at all (Score:0)
Mediocrity (Score:0, Troll)
Album Leak (Score:3, Insightful)
(User #3814 Info)
Jesse, the Record is Morrissey's (Score:0, Flamebait)
I would be shocked if you are on the next LP. Morrissey surely realizes someone has to go after the travesty of dullness that is Years Of Refusal. Hopefully it will be you.
Love, The Bicycle Tragedy
(User #21331 Info)
Thanks Jess (Score:0)
Would that piss you off?
Now I'm gonna take a leak, see you
Dear Jesse (Score:0, Troll)
Marred was the asshole..... (Score:0)
Bette Grammer: the bastards WHO leaked the record (Score:0)
Um, who the fuck is Jesse Tobias? (Score:1, Funny)
Dear Mr. Tobias (Score:0, Interesting)
I'm pissed at the third-rate session player who contributes absolutely nothing to the band.
I'm not sure what is worse: your guitar tone or your horrid songwriting, which is extremely limited to the usual boring and dry-sounding "Jesse rockers."
The opening riff of "Sorry Doesn't Help" could have been written by my six-year old nephew.
Do yourself a favor. Get out of the band.
Sincerely,
A Picnic by the Motorway
P.S. From what you've read so far, I'm sure you know by now that you're certainly not well-liked by the fans. On "I'm OK By Myself" I noticed you attempted to regurgitate the bass line of "Sweet and Tender Hooligans." Trying to do these sorts of things on future attempts will not win you over with us. You're not even in the same league as Johnny, so don't even try.
And don't get me started on the Simon Gallup-wannabe bass player!
i could empathize with his frustration. (Score:0)
Go book your pity party someplace else, okay jessie?
comprende?
Redundant Business / Marketing Model (Score:1, Insightful)
If any recording artist decides to 'build the buzz' in a pre-release period by passing completed copies of CDs to 'trusted' journalists, business associates, friends,corporate sponsors and the like, then they need to accept the possible consequences: Betrayal. Leaks. Given Morrissey's recorded comments on his dealings with business and press associates, it's 'curious' to see he has, once again, been so credulous.
By adopting/endorsing this approach Morrissey still appears to mentally inhabit a world of physical record stores, physical formats such as CD's and 'official' press and p.r campaigns. Well, it's no longer 1988. Any vaguely competent management would have ensured only low-bitrate minute-long snippets of songs were available in press review packs.
As I said on another thread: 'It is very sad that this has leaked prematurely. It must be so frustrating for artists to try to build momentum only to have the effort ruined by insider sabotage. We seem to be in the same territory as Hollywood movies with spoilers and rumours detracting from the impact of every musical release. In that respect, the Radiohead strategy appears to be the best way of dealing with this new situation.' Actually, Radiohead gouged their audience into 'donating' money for low bit-rate copies which is ethically dubious, to put it mildly.
There was nothing to stop Morrissey keeping this securely under wraps and announcing it 10 days before it's release. It's not as if the path hasn't been clearly set out by other innovators. But he appears to be a desperately incompetent businessman and insecure 'artist' and cannot seem to function without 'the star-making machinery behind the popular song'. Hence, 7 year sulks between contractual obligations followed by botched product launches ('robbed' of Keane-ly coveted #1 slot for You Are The Quarry being released on a wet Wednesday or whatever it was). Moving on. David Byrne has grasped the nettle with this whole nonsense as the following link shows:
http://www.everythingthathappens.com/order.html
So, his audience can order a physical CD in standard or luxury format whilst having immediate access to either low quality MP3 or lossless FLAC copies until they can grab hold of the UPS man's bulging package.(No sniggering at the back, class!) David Byrne is, of course, an entirely different proposition to Morrissey in that he is a full-on architect of his 'gesamtkunstwerk' rather than a passive-aggressive part-time member of the project management team. His audience are, from my observations, genuine 'patrons' rather than pathologic 'fans'. I doubt his sales are even remotely affected by 'thieving' downloaders, but I don't have access to his business plan/profitability model to confirm this intuition.
In order to protect the royalty income streams of employees such as Jesse Tobias, Morrissey needs to urgently review the Critical Path Analysis for this 'Years of Refusal' launch-scenario, tweaking milestones appropriately. Or employ a management team capable of doing so on his behalf. A rational response to Jesse's misguided distress would be to see these tracks on Itunes within the next few hours. Of course, many artists deliberately leak their own work as revenge on their managements and labels as part of their pseudo-rebellion against self-imposed 'corporate rock-whore radio friendly unit shifter' slavery. But that's too boring to even bother discussing.
I have no intention of responding to redundant comments on my superbly insightful analysis. The 'usual suspects' will just have to get their face-time attention whore fixes somewhere else today.
Regards
(User #11602 Info)
Well I Wonder? (Score:1)
You'd have to wonder what he did buy for them........Probably and old Red Hot Chili Peppers album & some sausages....!
(User #21014 Info)
'OUR record'? (Score:0)
well mr Tobias (Score:1)
was not impressing
[damn what's the deal with Alain, it's time the
tale is gonna be told, why he's still in camp
Moz, producing demoos, who he even't record
in the studio for the YoR]
and playing on stage as a member of the band again?
(User #220 Info)
Shame on you! (Score:0)
Sweet Jesse's Mom
"our record"? (Score:0, Redundant)
nice try Jesse. it's Moz's record. You are inconsequential.
Hear that?
INCONSEQUENTIAL.
This made me laugh. (Score:1)
'Pissed' that people have heard it early and can see how shit it is and wont be wasting money by going out and buying it , getting home and then realising just how bad it is.
BRING BACK JONNY MARR , ANDY AND MIKE.
LONG LIVE THE SMITHS.
(User #21773 Info | http://www.simplysmiths.ecrater.com/)
Long Live Jesse (Score:0)
His latin temper put's a keg between my legs.
It could be God (Score:0)
(User #12664 Info | http://www.morrissey-solo.com/)
Ah, nothing like the old mob mentality.... (Score:0)
All the best
A Sane Morrissey Fan.
I have already bought the record!!!!!!!!!! (Score:0)
lol yeah thanks Jesse, like the last one wasn't... (Score:0)
do me a favour, we'll all still buy it.
plus what's with this "our record" bullshit??
it's Morrissey's record, not yours
Part of the hype (Score:1)
(User #21851 Info)
Ticket Scalping ... (Score:0)
Re:What the FUCK is wrong with the Mods here? (Score:1, Funny)
(User #21331 Info)
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Re:What the FUCK is wrong with the Mods here? (Score:0)
Peace
Am I a 'troll' now?
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Re:What the FUCK is wrong with the Mods here? (Score:2, Insightful)
If you have a registered account you can turn off scores if you don't like them.
This system was actually broken for a while but fixed with a recent database upgrade.
(User #1 Info)
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Re:What the FUCK is wrong with the Mods here? (Score:0)
We both have strong opinions but neither of us were crude nor crass in our remarks.
Something seems a bit "off" if you get bad marks for just expressing an opinion (one that doesn't flame anyone or curse anyone or involve any sort of bad behavior at all).
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Re:What the FUCK is wrong with the Mods here? (Score:0)
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Re:F**K Tobias (Score:0)
I'm actually starting to think you summed it up pretty well.
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Re:F**K Tobias (Score:0)
stupid ass, he must think it makes him look cool to drink out of a fucking wine bottle. ahahaha yeah right.
I even asked him once why he did it, thinking he'd have a witty response. he didn't. he just said something like, 'oh, i dunno, it's easier not having to refill.' whatever
GET OVER YOURSELF JESSE.
Damn I miss Alain.
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