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davidt
on Wednesday March 01 2006, @11:00AM
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good teething (Score:0)
i'm glad morrissey isn't going with the notion that this album somehow outs him. that's silly. so all the people who said this album outs him, are they the ones who were saying he was racist when he wrote national front disco? oh. no. so...accept what he says about it and leave the speculation alone, i suggest.
Weak (Score:0)
And neither my brother nor I hold our sexuality against each other.
It's 2006 Moz, drop the games and grow up.
Article in NME =sexuality part deux (Score:0)
With that said, I think Morrissey's comment pondering what public reaction would be if he were "close to a female" is simply a diversionary tactic and something of a dangling carrot.
He now understands he may have said too much in regards to his sexuality in the Mojo article - danced too close to the fire, if you will, and now he wants to recant.
He is trying to make sure the mystery stays alive by somehow suggesting that the very real possibility exists that he might be very straight.
I don't think he's 100% sincere in his reasons for playing the devil's advocate on this one, however. I think he's simply trying to hang on to all of his varied and diverse fanbase (by suppressing a definitive, and potentially divisive, answer on his sexuality), while simultaneously 'dangling a carrot' for the straight crowd (which includes me).
Just a thought.
I love the discussing sexuality (Score:0)
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I hate that (Score:1)
Apparently Mystery Jets are on the free CD though so that takes the edge of woe off a little bit. I resent giving Conor Mc12year old my money.
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the interviewer proved morrissey's point (Score:1)
i would like to meet the person or entity brave enough to make a pass at God.
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ambiguity?? (Score:0)
what a smile (Score:0)
the man is simply adorable.
to everyone.
I love you, Morrissey!
The Universal (Score:1)
Do some of you, who try to fit yourselves into Morrissey's boxes, want everyone else who hears a Morrissey CD say to themselves about the songs, "They say nothing to me about my life."
Of course, he can say whatever he wants in interviews. It would be nice if the music and the songs remained somewhat universal, however.
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Hello! (Score:0)
As much as pains me to speculate (Score:2, Insightful)
It strikes me that what really winds people up here isn't the fact that Morrissey won't say, but the fact that he refuses to conform to any of our stereotypes. Why does someone have to be gay or straight or bi? I'll admit that everyone assumes things about people, and I assume that Morrissey's last few relationships have been with men.
However, it's taken as given that he's had relationships with women in the past, so where does that place him on the sexual scale? Simply a sexual being in my book. And he's tried to correct this idea that 'celibacy' was a long term lifestyle choice, anyone listening to his albums, solo or with The Smiths, can tell he wasn't living the life of a priest. So I don't understand why the world seems so shocked that he's dispensed with the double entendres and said something straightforward.
He must be having a right old laugh at all this speculation and argument.
And damn right he doesn't have to tell anybody about his private life. His music is founded on the fact that it appeals to as many people as possible. But he's also entitled to keep his private life private; he's always done things his way, why should this be any different? If your friend went through life telling people that they really didn't know what gender they liked, they just wanted to love and be loved, would you turn around to them at every opportunity and say 'you have a duty to tell people'? We're no longer living in a time where a law needs to be overturned. Some people may say that there is prejudice that still needs to be overcome; I agree. But someone like Morrissey 'coming out' would not change the mind of a homophobe. I actually think he's had more influence blurring the lines and smashing this idea of rigid labels.
The real reason fans want him to say one way or the other is purely selfish, they want him to conform to whatever fantasy they have for if / when they meet him
One thing he will do is release an album that drives people into frenzied debate. That's the reason I love him.
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Not sorry, not glad (Score:1)
“How would that help anybody? I do often find that people who listen and who are homo, or however you’d like to say it, want to believe in that aspect of the songs and people who listen who are hetero – it’s cringeworthy using both terms, but how else can I say it? – they want to believe in that aspect of the songs. It’s all down to the ear of the beholder. I’m not going to interfere.” ‘
Would that this will be remembered! In the great little film “A Taste of Honey”, quite something for the ‘60’s in England, sexuality from many perspectives is happening, and how it drives, and is driven by, personalities and circumstances is portrayed by the characters. At least Morrissey isn’t narrow-minded.
I know artists are usually considered to have more of a license to have opinions on politics and so on, but it would be distressing if anything said led to the furore following the Bush-Reagan comment in 2004. Still since then the world is waking up and dissenting voices are not so few anymore. Which reminds me of a recent newsflash: that President Bush has decided to take firm action against bird ‘flu – arrangements are being put in place to bomb the Canary Islands…
For the ever-enriching interview posts, thanks Tbevie, and specially Peter, who should be called Uncle Largesse, and is worth his weight in gold, time and time again! Did anyone by any chance post the first one? : )
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What did you think of Elton’s marriage? (Score:1)
“I was a bit shocked by the menu, which wasn’t remotely animal-friendly. Pate de foie gras, which is horrific, and lamb! Would you serve curried child at your wedding? Lambs are simply children.”
Yet, good to see Morrissey pointing out a political milestone as well:
But, that aside, I think it’s historic and proves 100 points.”
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why is he so puffy? (Score:0)
the hair color isn't even really that important...its a sign of age but a sign of wisdom as well...so....but i mean...its grown out on the side and it just adds to the puffy-ness of his face.
awe well,
saenz
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his Amazing composure (Score:1)
His present patience in confronting with elegant tolerance the same old labeling arena of a media-shaped sexuality, who are always so eager for instant gratification, is amazing. "When it happens to be a he": I particularly love in this one the way with which he displays, in his frankness, his necessity to keep his relations anonymous, and yet imput them openly, in a taboo-free way in his art (which some are describing as more detailed than necessary). So, conclusion: it is not in the graphic details they're interested in, or how it feels like in the context of the song, but the great big answer. This is the part I think is so sad, because people interviewing artists, in a curiously sophisticated magazine, should be primarily (or ideally!) driven to their art. Makes you ponder on how many layers of prejudice human sexuality is stifled with.
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its getting ugly... (Score:0)
the counrty that was his home for close
to a decade - sorry no black gay female
for president this yr (is oprah running?)
he can say 'england for the english'
but i have been hammered on this site for
the same about 'america for the americans'
and as for the u.s.a bombing anyone, well...
when he sings a song about the horrors of 9/11
then maybe i would listen to his political views
this country is the target of the world
and he seems glad to help fuel the fire
iam sure when sung in concert these lines
will draw huge cheers - hes coming off like
another ungrateful foreigner , like his hector
buddies who come here not to be americans
but to wave there countrys flags in our face
dahm i love morrissey more then life
but iam not sorry for the things iv said
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We already know! (Score:0)
Do I like the fact that Morrissey is gay? That is the question that should be asked. I personally don’t like the fact that he officially went public. I don’t care if he likes penis or not. I have no problem with men who like men. I do have a problem with men who act like their women (but that’s a whole different subject). I just preferred that Morrissey stayed ambiguous, despite already knowing the truth. I felt as long as he stayed ambiguous he was telling the world it is none of their business. But, Morrissey can’t write an album where he confirms he is gay, and then tells the world it’s none of their business or that he might not be gay. If Morrissey doesn’t think his sexuality is our business then he should not write about it. I would have no problem ever speaking about his sexuality as long as Morrissey never publicly speaks about it either.
Again, I know some of you find it offensive anytime anyone writes their opinion. So, I will post this and go hang myself.
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Question (Score:0)
Morrissey as Mental Midget (Score:0)
He calls Blair and Bush's alliance on Iraq "worse than terrorism." Yes, "worse" than terrorism, because apparently intentionally targeting and mass murdering random civilians in the name of religious ideology comes with some degree of mitigation. So, the bombings in London were just a way to get back at Blair by killing random civilians. That's as far as the discussion goes, so we should all be very understanding of the "terrorists" before condeming such acts.
It's interesting, but I didn't hear about Saddam putting people into a mixer so that they could form a democratic country. It's such an utterly absurd comment that it truly makes me wonder how someone like that survives on a day to day basis.
I mean, "ego" that's such an sunjective trait, that even the most cynical rationalist would not try to assert. How in the hell does Morrissey come to such nonsenical conlusions? The only answer is that he's intellectually lazy. He doesn't know the issues deeply, so he at least has to seem quotable, or else be rendered a know-nothing dullard.
Whatever your opinions are on the war (and honestly, who can take anyone seriously when it comes to politics on here?), Morrissey certainly wasn't writing terrible pop-songs about the mass slaughters, the torturing, and numeorus other human indignaties that were being performed by Saddam and his sons during their reign. You can certainly hate the war, but still be pleased that Saddam no longer stands atop Iraq. Only a sociopath would not feel such relief. Of course, that point is not at the forefront of Morrissey's mind. He cannot simply say that he disagrees with the intentions of the war. He has to make the logical jump of calling it worse than terrorism.
Finally, I see no mention of the atrocious level of women's rights in the M.E. I would hope that as an avowed feminist, Moz has a chorus in the works. Maybe not.
Now here's where the bullshit gets really thick. Morrissey calls for the nuclear bombing of China due to their poor animal rights record, but if the bombs involve targeting tyranical regimes, then that's clearly the act of the devil. If that idea doesn't smell of fascist tendencies, then I don't know what does.
Why don't journalist pin Morrissey down on such ridiculous statements and challenge a much more deep, and thoughtful explanation? It would certainly be much more interesting than constantly trying to get a gay man to admit that he really is gay.
Now, beyond that, Morrissey's flirtation with convoluted spiritual nonsense is a whole other bag. It's just abstract silliness. It's like watching a man trying to feign intelligence. It's very sixties. Morrissey is not an intellectual. He's just one big emotional response. IIf you don't follow the news, then how on earth can you form a relevant opinion on political topics? Even if he did follow the news, he obviously would not use much critical review of the information that was being given to him.
Anyone who cannot readily condemn this behavior his is either mildly retarded, or truly has no moral sense.
Enjoy his music, and coo like a silly woman about his looks, but call a spade a spade, and admit that he has simply lost it on worldviews. If not, then I will be forced to accept that the majority of you really are socially retarded, music nerds.
hmmm (Score:0)
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morrissey's GENDER not SEXUALITY issues (Score:0)
Morrissey has GENDER role issues rather than simple SEXUALITY issues. He is somewhat transgendered at the very least and so - naturally - it makes sense for him to reject "homo" and "hetero" as one size-fits-all categories meaning "male attracted to male" and "male attracted to female" when he himself doesn't even feel completely male. That's the truth. He's said it so many times. Why do people feel the need to twist his words?
So, so many times he's said he's transgendered and that he's had sexual relations with men AND women. It's not brain surgery, folks.
Besides that obvious snippet of interest, it was a pretty boring interview. I don't particularly mind - I realise he's feeling happy and probably doesn't feel the need to be so witty anymore.
Still, that was truly boring, as was the MOJO interview from little I read of it. I didn't bother to buy either magazine.
It's a shame because old Morrissey interviews were events, and were witty, charming, erudite and filled with smart pop culture references. Not that I care terribly. I am anticipating the release of the new album - that's what I REALLY care about.
broken
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uh oh, we have another mediocre album on our hands (Score:0)
Reviews to date:
Oberver 5/5
Q 3/5
Mojo 4/5 (the most Moz-friendly UK music mag)
Uncut 3/5
Some rock mag 3/5.
We really should learn not to get carried away by those early listening party reports...
J
Straight or gay or what (Score:0)
It's none of anyone's business unless he decides to have it splashed all over hello! magazine like yer average pathetic popstar.
But regardless of that, I think just about everything he says these days is sparked with wit and wisdom. It's moments like these that I remember why I fell and keep falling for him. He's so, so special and I can't wait to see him in May....
Mozzarella
What's always been unbelievable to me is that... (Score:1)
I can't think of one person at the considerable level of fame Morrissey has, that hasn't had at least one of their ex-partners say something about them in the media. That doesn't have to mean sex-related talk -- I mean anything about their relationship.
I think Morrissey has never been able to label himself, therefore he's uncomfortable with labels. The "evidence" (excuse the stupid terminology) points toward at least some hint of relationship with men, but...
I truly don't care either way, and whatever truth that came out wouldn't surprise me (unless it didn't involve humans) but what fascinates me is the Svengali-like hold he must have over past/present lovers not to talk about him!
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Morrissey as a Mental Midget response (Score:0)
Morrissey’s interviews are completely controlled by Morrissey. These poor interviewers are afraid to pin Morrissey down on anything. They ask generic questions and accept generalized vague answers. Any true interviewer would press Morrissey for a solid response. For example, Morrissey has gone on the record with this new album about being gay. There is no doubt after this album that he is gay, yet the interviewer is still asking him if he is gay and Morrissey is side stepping the question. Any true interviewer would not allow Morrissey to deny what he has already admitted too.
As a long time Morrissey fan I have been very disappointed with Morrissey over the last several years. Morrissey has lost everything he built over the last 20 years. Morrissey is losing his credibility with older fans.
Bono from U2 has a lot to say about politics, but I respect him because he’s out there doing something about it. All Morrissey does is bitch about Bush and Blair, but has done nothing personally to fix it (writing crappy lyrics that ruin potentially good songs is not the answer).
Morrissey needs to stay away from politics and gayness. I don’t care about his political views or if he likes penis or not. Just write good music like you once did.
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