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on Saturday January 21 2006, @01:00PM
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It's all right, Marr, we're only greedy - The Times (Jan. 20, 2006) Everyone wants a Smiths reunion. Well, you can have half of one, says Pete Paphides Excerpts: Johnny Marr laughs. “The R-word? Do I mind people bringing it up? I’d better not mind, had I? Otherwise, my life would be intolerable.” If the Manchester air is rife with talk of reunions, the former Smiths guitarist is swift to put things in perspective. He says that in the 19 years since he walked out of the group — effectively splitting them — he hasn’t heard a Morrissey album all the way through: “I always think I’ll probably know what they’ll sound like — and when I get around to hearing them, I’m usually right.” ... But even allowing for the fact that Morrissey is preparing for the release of his latest solo opus, is it really so fanciful to imagine someone picking up the blower and seeing what drummer Mike Joyce is up to? With vocalists from such fellow performers as New Order, Badly Drawn Boy, Elbow and Doves on hand, surely anything is possible on the night? “Now, just a minute,” cautions Marr. “Me and Andy — we haven’t even got as far as working out what we’re going to play together. And, as for Mike, that isn’t going to happen. “Why not? Because the band split up! There was a court case! Get up to speed, for f***’s sake!” “Sorry,” I stammer, “I just got a bit confused because . . .” “F*** off! You’re not confused!” says Marr. He thinks I’m pretending to be a bit thick but I’m not pretending at all. And if I’m confused, it’s precisely because of that High Court case, in which Judge Weeks famously ruled against Morrissey and Marr, awarding Joyce £1 million over allegedly unpaid royalties (Rourke settled out of court). Given that the case was brought jointly by Rourke and Joyce, it’s surely a surprise to see Marr hanging out with any Smiths at all. “All right, I’ll let you off,” says the guitarist, squeezing his mint teabag against the side of his cup. “But Andy and I go way back before the Smiths. Our friendship was bigger than that.” ... This year marks the 20th anniversary of The Queen is Dead, the album that, by Marr’s own admission, features some of the Smiths’ “best ensemble playing”. I ask him if — as rumour has it — there really is an unfaded eight-minute version of Morrissey’s apocalyptic address to the dwindling Empire. In fact, there’s an even longer one in existence: “Funny you should say that, because the record company want to put out some rarities, so we’ve spoken about the longer versions of The Queen is Dead: the eight-minute one and another one where we played for 12 minutes. It sounds like Can or something.”
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Boring, Boring, Boring (Score:0)
Maybe those rarities... (Score:1)
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get the rareties out (Score:0)
There have got to me more versions of the earlier stuff too - Handsome Devil, stuff of MIM and maybe How Soon Is Now alternative versions plus any lost songs!!
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We'd all like a redonion (Score:1)
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"Our friendship was bigger than that.” (Score:0, Flamebait)
this makes no sense to me. if iwere Marr id be more pissed off with Rourke than Joyce primarily for the fact that they longtime and supposedly close mates prior to the court case fallout. id be right fookin pissed with a friend if he hauled me and our friendship into the High Court- and over fookin money!
Joyce id let off easier simply cos id hav less expectations for the guy whos juste the drummer relative to my close friend. ihav no idea how Rourke gets off so scott free in this. even Moz focuses all his venom on Joyce and virtually lets Rourke go with a free pass. they both deserve shit.
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you would think.. (Score:2, Funny)
No need to be so bitter (Score:0)
Let's examine this sentence for a minute or two.
"I always think I’ll probably know what they’ll sound like"
So he imagines what the album sounds like. Fair enough.
"and when I get around to hearing them, I’m usually right.”
With a wry smile, he congratulates himself on his cleverness after being proved "right".
How does he know he's right? Well, at some point he hears the album and finds it to be much as he imagined.
The clue is here: "when I get around to hearing them"
Yet he said that he's never listened to a Morrissey album didn't he?
Is he lying?
Either way, he sounds bitter to me, which is a shame.
Hey Marr, sunshine. I imagined what your (Score:2, Funny)
And then I heard one of your songs on Virgin radio and I have to admit I was wrong. It was even worse!
It's such a shame (Score:0)
It's a shame Marr didn't take him up on it instead of frittering away ten years of his life taking drugs with Bernard Sumner.
Now it's too late because Morrissey found a band of friends whose loyalty knows no bounds and Marr is reduced to reminiscing on nostalgia tv shows.
Here's something interesting (Score:0)
rourke and day (Score:0)
rourke's bass has a melodic beauty to it he really did make a "song within a song".
no offense to gary day but if andy was still with morrissey he would have been even a bigger name. im sure of it.
Cahoots (Score:2, Insightful)
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to be fair (Score:1, Insightful)
Johnny Marr should join GUNS AND ROSES (Score:1, Funny)
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Never all the way through? (Score:0, Troll)
Then again, Morrissey has never been supportive of Marr's extra-curricular activities (which is all they amount to, really).
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I find it difficult to believe.... (Score:0)
Forget the reunion (Score:0)
Let's oblige Marr by never speculating on this again. Seriously. Marr has made it abundantly clear that it's not going to happen, so let him be. Let him create with the Healers et al.
I actually think that Morrissey, now "in it for the long haul", has a very interesting career as a solo artist ahead of him (the alternative Sinatra etc), and never forget that solo artists are far more credible as age encroaches (cf The Stones vs Bob Dylan). Provided he actually produces the goods (he has been underperforming since Vauxhall) with Ringleader and beyond, I can actually foresee a time when he is regarded as more of a solo artist than a Smith. I think the press accepts him like that these days. His work with Boz and Alain is now given major previews and he is portrayed as a revered artist in hiw own right. Of course, it all depends on the quality of his work, but he could potentially do it.
Strange comments (Score:0)
I repeat he is a genius and we have a lot to be thankful to him for. Now leave him be and allow him to grow in the way HE wants to, not in the way you want him to.
The Smiths are dead, Morrissey lives, Marr lives, maybe even Rourke lives, but is Joyce on the M62 somewhere?
Does anyone have any book about Morrissey?If does. (Score:0, Offtopic)
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reunion (Score:0)
Now then girls, some facts (Score:3, Insightful)
2) We don't really know what went on behind closed doors within The Smiths , and we never will, because there were no objective witnesses.
3) There will be no reunion (if there is I'll eat a KFC)
4) People appear to be very fickle; one minute it's all "Marr is wonderful, the best guitarist ever, The Smiths were all down to his genius and hard work; what a great guy."
In the next breath it's "How dare that sub-standard musician suggest that Morrissey's work is generic."
5) Morrissey's work is not generic.
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Marr (Score:0, Troll)
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Boxset (Score:1)
Has that studio version ever been put on CD before? Or is it only on vinyl?
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Has anybody heard The Healers? (Score:0)
I think numbers do mean something. The ones at amazon.com expressed the opinons of buyers that gave The Healers a chance they have given The Smiths. However, look at the average rating of each of Moz's solo albums: as controversial and questionnable his solo work gets to be depicted by the music press, the average customer tends to give it at least four, four and a half stars. The Healers got from two to three.
It sounds like this guy needs to get over his unavowed jealousy, or feelings of any unsolved nostalgia he's blocking, because he really doesn't *sound* like he is moving on; he merely sounds like he is caught up in the pretentious emotionlessness of showing and not expressing a musical style The Jesus and Mary Chain took much further, much more convincingly.
Not everyone! (Score:1)
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Have You Ever Seen The Smiths? I thought so!... (Score:0, Redundant)
When the lights went down and Andy, Mike, Morrissey and Johhny broke into the first bars of Hand in Glove or whatever song they started off with, you could hear as well as see that magic music that only the four of them were capable of presenting. It was like seeing Led Zeppelin in 1970, or early shows by The Who, The Jam or even The Clash. But when The Smiths broke up in 1987 {officially}, that magical music that the four of them together, was unfortunatly but true, H-I-S-T-O-R-Y. You could only listen to some bootleg live stuff or some of the studio albums by The Smiths to even try to recapture that magic!
Now, hear this instead: When you go see Morrissey play live, you are not seeing The Smiths! If you see Andy and Mike play with Sinead O'Conner or anyone else, they are not The Smiths! When you see Johnny Marr play with his solo stints with such bands as 'The The' or the Healers, they are good but, they are not The Smiths either! Now Fast Forward a bit.... If you see Johnny getting back together with Andy and maybe even Mike as well, it is still not The Smiths! And last but not least, if Morrissey decided to join Johnny, Mike and Andy for an Elvis or Smiths song, it will STILL NOT BE THE SMITHS!!! It will be Johhny, Andy, Mike and Morrissey, 4 guys who used to be in band called The Smiths. So why don't all of you who were not fortunate enough to see The Smiths play live because you were too young, they never played near your city or you were out buying New Edition and New Kids on The Block Cd's instead well, give it a rest already. THERE WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER SHOW BY THE SMITHS AGAIN. None, Nill, Nada, comprende? Save your pennies {or dollars} for the upcoming Morrissey tour. There you can close your eyes during 'Rubber Ring' or 'There is a Light That Never Goes Out' and fantasize that you are sitting at a Smiths show. Because thats about the closest you will ever come to hearing them ever and ever again. Sorry but, I didn't break them up, fate did!
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If many of you.... (Score:0)
Marr is pathetic when he talks about Morrissey in public in those terms. We're still waiting for that "Phil Spector with a guitar". In the meantime we have had a bunch of excellent albums by morrissey, full of songs that are very much worth it. Enjoy A Rush A Push and enjoy Now My Heart is full. If you don't enjoy the latter, it's snobbish prejudiced and narrow-minded of you
Johnny Marr (Score:1)
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Is a reunion a good idea? Is it really? (Score:1)
If they decide, god forbid, to reunite without Morrissey I will lose it, totally... How could anyone else sing songs like Panic, This charming man or There is a light...?
Let's just wait for Mozzers new album instead
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rarities? (Score:1)
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gig 4 cancer - my arse (Score:0)
Out Doors Screens (Score:0, Offtopic)
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Re:Is it just me or is Marr an ass? (Score:0)
The debut album because it features Stephen Street's work. And the latter, well, because Morrissey's career went downhill.
However, he is not found of the Boorer/Whyte period. Mainly because they helped revamp Morrissey's career while Marr was rotting away.
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Re:Is it just me or is Marr an ass? (Score:1)
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Re:Johnny Marr Is Stuck Up (Score:1)
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Marr seemed irritated (Score:0)
so i expect that's why marr was irritated during the interview and he said what he said.
i think marr should have just became a producer and drop the healers thing.
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