posted by davidt on Monday March 24 2003, @11:00AM
Phubbbs writes:

"Morrissey, Mexico, Myth" by Anthony Easton - Freaky Trigger

An interesting and well-written article regarding Morrissey's Latino fanbase. Good food for thought.
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  • I remember reading somewhere else about how Morrissey was huge in the California-Latino community...the article gives a pretty vague explanation of why that is.

    The one thing I didn't like about the article was about Morrissey being depicted as this sort of sexually depraved monster who lured young Latino boys to his house. I don't really know what that's all about.
    Anonymous -- Monday March 24 2003, @01:24PM (#56341)
  • Ummmmm......What? (Score:2, Interesting)

    The real myth that this writer cannot possibly respond to is this: more Morrissy/Smiths fans are in fact NOT homosexuals. (Not that that's better, or anything!)

    It seems to me that whenever a gay Morrissey fan speaks of Morrissey, they do so from an inaccurate presumption. Morrissey has sung about a great deal of topics, and they usually revolve around honesty, human emotion, style, and irony.

    Morrissey has been a genius to keep his homosexuality private, just as Wilde did for a long time. However, Morrissey's words truly transcend sexuality, race, gender, and politics. Gays seem to come off like he's speaking to them, first. I for one simply do not think that's the case...
    dewdrop -- Monday March 24 2003, @04:43PM (#56357)
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    • Good point! Very well said. Morrissey's words have always transcended social and cultural definitions of race, sexuality, etc.

      I am gay, and I believe that Morrissey's words have NOTHING to do with sexuality whatsoever. He is an idealist, and his words deal with reality. I, too, hate it when people and critics try to categorize Morrissey's words. His music has nothing to do with gays and gay culture whatsoever- and I am very proud of that.

      Truly,
      KEN
      sycophantic_slag -- Tuesday March 25 2003, @12:08AM (#56372)
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      "And I just can't explain/ So I won't even try to."
      • Re:Ummmmm......What? (Score:2, Informative)

        I've officialy joined the list of people you scare,KEN.
        As a gay man and Morrissey fan,I find it frightening you belive his music has nothing to do with sexuality.
        Even scarier,your militant comment that you are "proud" of the obscene notion that his music has nothing to do with gay life/culture.
        Just what have you been listening to all these years Ken?
        Anonymous -- Tuesday March 25 2003, @09:45AM (#56402)
      • "His music has nothing to do with gays and gay culture whatsoever- and I am very proud of that."

        I feel sorry for you Ken. You obviously have no idea what the man is all about. His lyrics are waisted on you. You just don´t get it, do you? Morrissey has always been and always will be a part of gay culture.

        And what exactly are you proud of Ken? Or should I ask what are you ashamed of?
        Eric Hartman -- Tuesday March 25 2003, @12:58PM (#56419)
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    • Re:Ummmmm......What? by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday March 25 2003, @08:44AM
    • Re: Ummmmm......What? by Eric Hartman (Score:1) Tuesday March 25 2003, @01:15PM
    • Re:Ummmmm......What? by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday March 25 2003, @01:47PM
  • I'm wondering why it matters to people what race morrissey fans are? People of all races listen to Morrisey/Smiths. It doesnt matter whether your hispanic or not, his music isnt made for a certain race. I doubt Morrissey cares what race his fans are.
    Anonymous -- Monday March 24 2003, @07:56PM (#56364)
  • Given that Morrissey explicitly spells spells out S-T-E-V-E-N in Ouija Board, what plausible excuse (besides ignorance) has anyone to misspell his first name??
    Anonymous -- Monday March 24 2003, @08:02PM (#56365)
  • All in all, this article is a rather self-indulegent tripe. The author's persistant need to recite details, and opinions in a repetitve, laundry list-like manner makes it come across as fairly amateur, and well, unedited.

    It makes absolutley no sense to me why Morrissey, as an indivdual, must feel any need to discuss his sexuality with compelete strangers, or to make any proclamations in regards to it. I think he has given us enough scattered (and clustered) hints that allow us to read between the lines with little confusion.

    The overwhelming reality is, when you drag your sexuality into the limelight, it inevitably becomes a predominant aspect of your public personae. Morrissey's likely understanding of this is what I find truly intelligent, and not any desire to perpetrate the common homosexual mindset of "take one for the team."

    He should have absolutely no obligations to anyone, or to any group.

    One of the most annoying aspects of the homosexual community is the way in which some within pressure others into feeling as if they must proclaim their homsexuality, or else they're obviously suffering from an ingrained thread of shame.

    Morrissey must have realized long ago that he is an indivdual first, and a homosexual second; if in fact he does posess any strong faith in his homosexuality.

    More importantly, the writer described the film and book versions of "Gods and Monsters" as "ludicrous," which in and of itself, nullifies the entire review.
    Anonymous -- Monday March 24 2003, @08:42PM (#56367)
  • The article's openning remarks about the role of music in Latino culture excited me. I thought -- finally, someone is going to say something of substance about the Southern California/Morrissey love affair.

    I was quite disappointed when, several paragraphs later, the essay lost focus. Rather than insights and analysis, there's a bit of bathhouse gossip, a pinch of postcolonial theory, some autobiography and a heavy dash vitriol. I didn't know whether I was reading the NME, an undergraduate journal or this week's Savage Love.

    If we must talk about songwriters and musicians, why don't we discuss their work? But the more essential question is, why talk about music when you can listen to or make it?

    I could say more, but I'd rather log off and hear some tunes.
    s-man -- Tuesday March 25 2003, @01:52AM (#56379)
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  • "Homosexuals", "Gays". Even the gay people writing here sound victorian. I feel like I've stumbled into a time warp. Am I losing my mind. How is it possible for Morrissey fans to come out with such uninformed, homophobic drivel. This persistant myth that gay men in particular are predatory potential rapists really pisses me off. Statistically "straight" men are ten times more likely to carry out same sex assault AND if we do insist on talking about it perhaps its because if we don't those who believe they know everything feel it is their right to do it on our behalf. If you seriously think Moz is 100% hetro then I'm a fish and he's just as likely to be offended by your foolishness as any of us.
    Q -- Tuesday March 25 2003, @03:08AM (#56382)
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    "In the days when you were hopelessly poor, I just liked you more"
  • sacrificed substance for the god of style...
    thirsty fists <[email protected]> -- Tuesday March 25 2003, @10:03AM (#56404)
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    "world's ugliest boy"
  • It really sickens me that some people are pathetic enough to sit around and wonder who Moz is sleeping with, and then actually saying that he uses his musicians and fans for sex. I personally can't see him that way, and I think that would be true of anyone else who loves him.
    BrookeluvsMoz <[email protected]> -- Tuesday March 25 2003, @12:08PM (#56416)
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    I still don't belong to anyone: I am mine.
  • Those Latin Kings have all the Luck.
    ScottyK -- Tuesday March 25 2003, @02:27PM (#56427)
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    • Re:Oh My!! by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday March 25 2003, @05:34PM
  • First off...I know MTV sucks...so spare me the comments.

    Does anybody remember those MTV Sex in the Nineties specials. They profiled all sorts of people: gays, straight, male, female, bi, old, young, different races and ages. Anyway, I specifically remember Kurt Loder speaking about celebrity sexual preferences and those who broke ground in that area. People like Elton John, David Bowie, etc. He did mention Morrissey, and there was either a picture with Loder speaking about him or an smidge of an interview of Moz.

    But what I took of the entire thing at the time was that Morrissey basically declared himself celibate in the sense that a) he will not marry (obvious) and b)abstains from all sexual intercourse and c)does not declare a sexual preference.

    But regardless, there was a mention of celibacy because I remember it being juxtaposed against actually declaring yourself Gay/Straight/Bi. However, I am not sure in what context or definition. Obviously these are my conclusions of a show that is about 10 years old. I was interested in finding out if anyone remembers this part of the show and what was said about Moz/said by Moz.

    SeaDocked -- Wednesday March 26 2003, @01:29PM (#56579)
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    Boxing Depression with a Southpaw fist...
  • que si esto, que si lo otro...la verdad, creo que son chingaderas, mientras son peras o son manzanas no hay de otra más la de esperar el "nuevo" (entre un huevo de comillas) material...

      salud! y vénga la otra ronda
    fernando -- Wednesday March 26 2003, @06:00PM (#56627)
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    daradá


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