posted by davidt on Monday May 20 2002, @09:30AM
A very trustworthy source close to Morrissey has further revealed to Morrissey-solo that:

Morrissey is 100% confirmed as Very Special Guest to Jaguares for three concerts in September. The dates are:

12 September (Thurs) San Diego - Open Air Theater
13 September (Fri) San Francisco - Greek Theater
14 September (Sat) Anaheim - Arrowhead Pond

Tickets for these concerts will be on sale in two weeks time. Morrissey will perform prior to the Jaguares, and there is a third on the bill that is rumored to be Dashboard Confessional.
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  • I hope he has more than just three nights!
    celluloid_history -- Monday May 20 2002, @09:46AM (#29999)
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  • Did Morrissey's accountant ask where the 2 million dollor account is at??? Opps, forgot that it was a miscalculation. Morrissey, is there anyway you can make extra income???

    There's no way I'm going to watch Morrissey do a half-ass show so he can make his mortagage payment. If Morrissey wants commitment from his fans, then he must commit himself. Obviously, he hasn't. I would rather hang out in the parking lot of the Arrowhead Pond and try to pick up on girls instead.
    Anonymous -- Monday May 20 2002, @09:53AM (#30000)
  • the pond is a huge place. can the jaguares sell the it out? and if they can, what's the ratio of a jaguare crowd that will be into morrissey? just wondering.
    eugenius -- Monday May 20 2002, @11:22AM (#30013)
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    I'm almost sure you can do better than that.
    • Re:ratio by Anonymous (Score:0) Monday May 20 2002, @01:08PM
      • Re:ratio by mannywho (Score:1) Monday May 20 2002, @05:46PM
    • Re:ratio by Anonymous (Score:0) Monday May 20 2002, @06:56PM
  • Hmmm, I would really consider flying out to the venue just for Moz, but that would mean I would have to fly on September 11th....urmm, I love you Moz, but I'll wait til you come to the East! ;-)
    Anonymous -- Monday May 20 2002, @11:33AM (#30015)
  • Has anyone noticed that there is a month gap between the Yuma show, Aug 10 and the San Diego Show Sep 12.

    I am guessing that this means there will be a tour perhaps of Australia / New Zealand? - he's gonna be in Japan on Aug 17 & 18th Anyhow.

    Or maybe he'll do the shows in Japan then fly straight on to Europe.?

    Oh maybe he'll take a month holiday?

    I'm curious what's happening with the gap in between
    Anonymous -- Monday May 20 2002, @11:57AM (#30016)
  • Ten years ago they were good, but now their music just sucks. Saul (the frontman) can not sing anymore, I know what i´m saying.... I´m from Mexico.
    Anonymous -- Monday May 20 2002, @01:19PM (#30023)
  • Saul is a legend of rock!!! He is been compared to the Lizard King ( JIm Morrison) and he has had a very successful career. About selling the arrowhead pond, Jaguares did that by themselves with no publicity. With Morrissey now as an opening act, I wouldnt be surprised ticket scalpers outside the venue.
    Anonymous -- Monday May 20 2002, @01:46PM (#30025)
  • What is the point to opening for this band? To reach a new audience???... Believe me, this demographic is not one you want to be associated with. I should know, I am part of it.
    Very little disposable income, very small command of the english language, very short attention span. Si.
    No es bueno.
    Anonymous -- Monday May 20 2002, @01:52PM (#30028)
  • Everytime I do the news is more and more pathetic.
    Anonymous -- Monday May 20 2002, @01:57PM (#30029)
  • What's Morrissey doing supporting Jaguares? In fact, what's Morrissey doing SUPPORTING anyone? And who the fuck are the Jaguares anyway? Whatever next for our man in LA? An eighties "indie revival tour" (wha-hey!): Morrissey, Lloyd Cole, Billy Bragg, The Housemartins and Sigue Sigue Sputnik (Actually, I'd pay to see THAT).
    Anonymous -- Monday May 20 2002, @02:06PM (#30030)
    • Re:Morrissey Vs Jaguares by Anonymous (Score:0) Monday May 20 2002, @05:58PM
    • Re:Morrissey Vs Jaguares by Stray_Cat (Score:1) Monday May 20 2002, @07:59PM
      • Burn!!!! by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday May 21 2002, @12:17PM
        • It's a common, and generally rather tiresome, tactic for people critical of other fans to call their fandom into question, and say they can't be a "real" fan of the artist in question. I don't think I've ever said this of anyone; I'm a tolerant sort of chap who can appreciate a wide diversity of opinion. But I - quite genuinely - cannot understand how someone like you could be a Morrissey fan. Why would you want to be? Don't you get annoyed by the "so easy to hate..." lyrics? Do you listen to the lyrics at all? Seriously, what's your favourite song? Your attitude absolutely baffles me. I don't know what else to say. How sad you should be posting here. Shame on you.
          danbutt -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @01:52PM (#30173)
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  • so Jaguares invites Moz to play a few dates with them on their tour. what's the big deal?

    just because it happens to be Jaguares' tour, doesn't mean that Morrissey is bowing down to the almighty Jaguares a la: "I am but Morrissey, your humble opening act". please. it's just two groups of musicians who like eachother's music getting together to play some shows.
    carlos -- Monday May 20 2002, @02:17PM (#30031)
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  • my God!
    not to offend anyone in Mexico, but this is the lowest point in Morrissey career.
    I really can not understand what the hell is He doing OPENING for this band!
    I know that this could be even worse - Mana, Café Tacuba, errmmm Shakira (joke!) - , but what's the point in OPENING for a "cult band" when He has been enjoying semi-God status for almost 20 years?
    I thought that he has learned the lesson after touring with David Bowie in 1995, but you see... he'll never learn.
    charles byron <{boy_afraid} {at} {hotmail.com}> -- Monday May 20 2002, @02:25PM (#30032)
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  • Saul Hernandez and Morrissey in the same building...now that's a concert not to miss. You have 2 legends playing music from their heart. Morrisey, one of the most influential musicians of all time, and Saul Hernandez...the god of rock.
    Anonymous -- Monday May 20 2002, @03:07PM (#30035)
  • They are setting themselves up for disaster. I'm sure they are great and will do well at the So. Cal shows but in the Bay Area, the fan base is different (basically, mostly white and asian indie kids instead of the Latino/rockabilly etc.)
    Do you think the your typical Moz indie fan will stay after their hero is done singing "Speedway" or a Smiths tune. I don't think so...and by the way, I WISH the fans in the Bay Area were as cool as you guys in L.A. YOU ROCK!!
    Anonymous -- Monday May 20 2002, @03:30PM (#30038)
  • with Dashboard Confessional?!? I really hope not.
    SleepTheClockAround -- Monday May 20 2002, @03:51PM (#30042)
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    • Re:hmmm... by Anonymous (Score:0) Monday May 20 2002, @11:23PM
  • I for one, am angry enough knowing that Morrissey will be opening for this overrated hispanic rock band. But, I will attend the show (sadly) and will leave soon after he is done with his set. I advise other fans do this as well! Gee, this is like The Smiths opening for Soul Asylum. The month Morrissey lost some respect.... SEPTEMBER! (I don't have enough tissues for my tears)
    Anonymous -- Monday May 20 2002, @04:02PM (#30044)
  • If it turns out that I buy some tickets to this show, and it happens that Morrissey wasn't really there...I will be very, very upset. This 100% reliable source that gave the site this information will suffer immeasurable pain, and I will abandon all hopes of ever hearing a true word about Morrissey.
    Anonymous -- Monday May 20 2002, @04:24PM (#30045)
    • Re:If by mannywho (Score:1) Monday May 20 2002, @05:09PM
  • La verdad es que no creo que junten a Jaguares con Morrissey, los dos son estilos totalmente diferentes... ademas quien seria el grupo que abriria!?!?! Mmmh Saul Hdez tiene un ego mayor que Moz, asi que no creo... aparte de eso el boleto cuanto costaria!?! Y si es cierto el rumor... pues conviene ver a dos musicos muy buenos... aunque el publico seria muy diferentes para los dos... en fin...
    elmorrissey -- Monday May 20 2002, @04:26PM (#30046)
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  • Morissey being the opening act for Jaguares, it will be more like a double headliner. Morissey is very talented, charismatic singer. Saul is a legend, mystic, talented person. Although their music is different, I think it will be a show to remember.
    Anonymous -- Monday May 20 2002, @05:41PM (#30051)
  • i am a HUGE jaguares fan since they were caifanes, and i am a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGEEEEEEEEE morrissey fan ass well, but i don't really think the two of them playing together is such a good idea. they play totally diff music and i don't think the fans of either artist is really going to enjoy either of them to the extent that they would if each artist had their own show, y'know what i mean???? i'm still debating on whether to go just to see morrissey (i saw jaguares last nov.) or not to go and make my statement of "MORRISSEY DO YOUR OWN THING!!!!".....hmmmm....
    nyxstar* -- Monday May 20 2002, @06:49PM (#30055)
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  • I think - I'm not 100% sure - but I think tha the "San Francisco" show may actually be in Berkeley. The venue credited with the show is "The Greek Theater" which is a Berkeley venue.
    GurgleJerk -- Monday May 20 2002, @07:00PM (#30057)
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    • Re:S.F. Show by Anonymous (Score:0) Monday May 20 2002, @07:31PM
    • Re:S.F. Show by mannywho (Score:1) Monday May 20 2002, @07:32PM
  • So is it just me, or does that Dashboard Confessional guy seem to be sporting a modified quiffy Moz 'do with sideburns??
    Couldn't help noticing as I first saw their video a while back...and now this...hmmmmm.
    Nice to see that he's got some style, anyway. ;)
    18th pale descendant <[email protected]> -- Monday May 20 2002, @07:41PM (#30060)
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    a little cloak-and-dagger
  • I'm in denial (Score:2, Insightful)

    nothing was ever set in stone about this.. So everyone should just wait a while and see because there's been plenty of rumors on here that everyone got in an uproar about that NEVER ended up being true ,plus it just doesn't make sense. When was the last time Morrissey OPENED for someone? Not recently.. i wouldn't assume he was that hard up for cash..he's got plenty of it, don't worry.

    Secondly who the f*ck is jaguares? And who cares? I don't think the people who say they will walk out after Morrissey are MORONS. I have skipped opening bands before simply because i didn't care to watch them, have left after a band i liked opened a show and there's really nothing wrong with that, ecspecially in a case like this when some of us might not be fans or care to see a spanish rock band. Great for those who do..

    Not that I'd want to see dashboard confessional either..heard quite a few songs a while back and wasn't too impressed. So yeah i hope this is a rumor, I enjoyed depeche mode at the anaheim pond but morrissey.. I'd rather catch him in a small venue. my suggestion for Morrissey would be :: PLAY THE AREA 2 FESTIVAL WITH MOBY AND BOWIE!
    Unruly Girl -- Monday May 20 2002, @09:26PM (#30073)
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  • Jesus CHrist...everythings "NOt to offend anyone from Mexico..." or some jab to that effect. It's been obvious from this site that a lot of fans want some pure White Anglo European fan base. Maybe it has to be with the negative reaction to a lot of immature greasers that have been known to frequent Morrissey's concerts. But give me a break...one things is to show your true colors and put out a post that clearly shows your dislike for another culture, but what bothers me is when some of you out their try to cover it up with vague rude comments (most often anonymously) about Morrissey's Latino fanbase. Geez get over it.

    So Morrissey's decided to support a Mexican band in three CALIFORNIA shows. Thank God it's not in any other part of the world for it just might cause a heartattack from some fellow fans. I'm not sure if anyone wants to admit it but their's a shit load of Latino Morrissey fans in southern California. It's obviously has probably worn thin with some original Morrissey fans who probably again where white in the early 80's. Morrissey is milking and pleasing his "CALIFORNIAN LATINO" fanbase with three shows. What in the freakin world is wrong with that. It's obviously playing to your demographics. So give it a rest. It not. Please be direct with your silly comments about your true feelings are spare us with "Oh geez who are these Mexican rockers dudes. I'm not going" If you don't know who what why. Then cut the pussy-footing and just don't go. Cause some do and have a right to embrace such an event.

    Seriously, Three california dates with a Mexican band and the world cries freakin murder.
    Moz cowboy -- Monday May 20 2002, @09:41PM (#30074)
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  • who cares? (Score:0, Troll)

    i am miss cleo and miss cleo says you'll buy your tickets either way.
    suzanne -- Monday May 20 2002, @10:11PM (#30076)
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    I scare dead people.
  • I'm not afraid to admit it. The mexican fanbase has ruined Morrissey. Congratulations, you brought the white man down. Yes he is white. Yes I am white. Call me what ever you want. I won't even read these comments again. You lose. You get the crappy Morrissey. When we had him he was at his best. Opening for the Jaguars, what crap is this. I guess that is the only way he could ever play the pond. He could have just opened up for Depeche Mode, but Poe was a much better choice. I wonder what kind of crap set list we will get from Morrissey this time. Billy Budd, Now My Heart Is Full, Speedway, Boy Racer, Teachers, Alma Matters, Roy's Keen, Reader Meet Author, and Lost. I won't waste my time, you can have his sorry ass. And I hope all of you ignorant bastards get crushed at the front of the stage when a mosh pit is formed during Boy Racer while you are fighting over Morrissey's bannana with some gay mexican james beaner rebel. Yes I am a troll now, but it appears that Morrissey just knows how to bring out the best in all of us doesn't he.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @12:41AM (#30084)
  • this is the lowest point in Morrissey career!!!!!!!!!!
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @12:59AM (#30086)
  • Wake up folks (Score:2, Insightful)

    These constant racial and hostile remarks are disgusting. It almost makes me not want to read any of the commentary, but then again, that would give the racists too much power. These shows are solely for California fans, a vast majority of whom are Latinos, and it gives Moz a chance to play in a few big arenas like he was able to back in the early 90's. Jaguares have a very strong cult following that allow them to sell out big venues in the U.s., something that most spanish rock bands never dreamed of doing. So for those few narrow-minded people who can't appreciate the melting pot that California is, go see Morrissey and then slip out quietly rather than stay and proclaim your misconceived and racially-based hatred for Saul & the boys. Your loss.
    mannywho -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @01:50AM (#30089)
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  • Concert ticket: $40
    T-shirt: $25
    Souvenir: $10
    Seeing my idol and arguably the greatest rock en espanol artists of all-time: Priceless.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @01:54AM (#30090)
    • Good one! by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday May 21 2002, @08:50AM
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  • you dont offend me beacuse I dont like jaguares, you dont offend us beacuse happens that not all mexicans are pochos or mexican americans living in California, you dont offend us because not all mexicans are like the ones you probably have seen in CA, happens that Mexico is a big country and jaguares are not really, not remotely the best band or something that represents it,and you guys fans from Caifanes or whatever are they calling themselves now must know that they dont have NOTHING in common , I agree this is depressing! why should Morrissey open for anyone and for an inferior band like this that dont share anything in common oh yeah maybe that they dont sell out in their own hometowns---i wonder why jaguares only play in small towns in Mexico and why would they go and ripp off money from californian fans near to the anniversary independence of Mexico---fishy.. like the 2nd poster wisely said for paying the mortgage..? oh no...oops that's gonna be in Japan right? a once in a lifetime concert? ha ha ..that was when Morrissey should've stay with Bowie .
    If he decides to support a mexican band or stick to the mexican gang in California I dont give a damn better for some , but for Christ , get inside the studio , get a record deal ...! and stop playing around..

    and I dont even believe it ..
    UNLOVEABLE -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @01:58AM (#30091)
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  • Good heavens, I've read some ridiculous nonsense on this site in the past, but the outpouring of vitriol, a large part of it seemingly racist, which this inoffensive announcement has provoked takes this biscuit. Morrissey is an ARTIST. We are not involved in some idiotic game of ranking artists against each other, whereby no one can support anyone else without making some declaration of inferiority to them. I'm sure Moz just thinks that doing this will be fun, and I'm sure he's right. I would love to go to one of these shows, but being in the UK sort of rules that out for me. Wouldn't it be interesting seeing Moz in a different context? Isn't it refreshing that the man we're always told is burdened with this great ego is sufficiently unlike your average rock star to be willing to do this sort of thing? He doesn't have to, we know he can sell out shows as headliner in the States perfectly easily. The whole point about the Great Man is that he doesn't act like any other dumb ass rock star, that he doesn't buy into conventional power structures in the recording industry. The idea that some of you might actually be able to go but will refuse because of - what? - some half-baked sense that your hero has sold out for deigning to support another artist (and especially one who doesn't come from your ethnic demographic!) is absolutely pathetic. As is the suggestion that some of you will go under protest, sitting on your hands in case you applaud by acciudent and flouncing off the moment Moz has finished playing. I am quite seriously ashamed to be associated with a good many of you. It is terribly sad that the wonderfully liberating music which you claim to love has not managed to open your minds a little.
    danbutt -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @02:40AM (#30093)
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  • well, I don't know much about Jaguares, but I don't think it's a bad move.
    Morrissey toured on his own successfully to his already established fanbase. That didn't get him a record deal that he wanted nor did it get him a bigger fanbase since most of the people who went were already fans.
    So now he is going to do the Japanese festival and the Jaguares thing to a new audience. This I think is a better way of getting a record deal. Promoting the !best of! release to people who haven't heard of him, and trying to get some momentum into building up new interest. That to me is the only way he'll get a deal that he wants.
    He can't just cater to his dwindling fanbase. Besides if the rumors of his new songs have a latin feel, then he has reasons for doing the show with Jaguares.
    prisoner of wombat -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @06:16AM (#30116)
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  • "Get off the Stage"

    YOU SILLY OLD MAN!
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @07:06AM (#30117)
  • I don't think Morrissey should go on tour or perform together with another established band. I don't think it would work (remember the Bowie tour and Finsbury Park) and I certainly don't think he has to. He alone is still quite capable of selling out most larger venues, so I don't quite understand this. I'd even say that The Smiths and and his solo work is just as popular as it ever was (or maybe even more?), as young listeners of today still discover his music and get completely devoted to it. His music is as unique and much - needed as ever.
    He should just do it on his own.
    Puppet on string <[email protected]> -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @07:56AM (#30119)
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  • I really cannot believe that there is this much racisim on the site or within the morrissey fanbase. Are these people just trying to be provocative? Truly bizarre. Can't David T just wipe these off the board? I know it's not "free speech," but you can start your own web page and post whatever you want. It really is starting to make me worry that the NME is next going to write that now not only Morrissey is a racist, but so are his legions (legion?) of fans.
    Xhris -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @08:25AM (#30127)
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    • Re:bizarre. by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday May 21 2002, @11:44AM
    • Racist is a strong word by Eye Kicker (Score:1) Tuesday May 21 2002, @11:47AM
      • Eye Kicker, let me explain to you: "racist" person is not necessarily a white KKK member and/or participant at some weird and crazy cross- torching ceremony in front of Black or Asian or Jewish-owned house at some white-Protestant-dominated area. Racist is a person (like you), who thinks that races have to be separated, both geographically and culturally, who believes that races are meant to be kept pure and race-mixing is a crime. Pay attention here, racist could be White (like Hitler or ex-Republican Presidential candidate Buchanan or Frenchman Le Penn or you), racist could be Black (Louis Farrakhan of Chicago Black Muslim Movement). Back to you: statement of yours "Moz, please stay White", illustrates that you are a racist.

        Also, Spanish-speaking people could be not only Indian-Aztec origin, but White, Black, Asian, Jewish, Slavic, Palestinian/Arab, mixture of 2 or 3 or more races etc... I have Slavic-Jewish relatives in Argentina (some of them inter-married with Catholics), for example. Majority of Mexicans and Argentinians are of Indian-Aztec and Spanish ancestry, however many Argentinians have Italian grandparents, there are millions-strong Jewish, Arab and Japanese communities at Chile, Columbia and Argentine, quite a few of Latin Americans have Slavic ancestors from Russia and Poland. Which makes your statement of "staying white" especially idiotic... Latin peoples are of many races! As a matter of fact, Morrissey well-known love of Mexican culture is natural and easily-explained: Both Irish and Mexicans are Catholics, with all the good, wonderful and not so wonderful things this common heritage entitles. The wonderful things are Creativity and Spirituality, love for Jesus and certain idealism the Catholic culture brings into the World. The sad things are social inequality and well-known discrimination against women and gays in both Ireland/England and Mexico. That's why it is easy for Mexican-American Catholic schoolgirl to identify with the plight of Manchester Irish bisexual artistic schoolboy ('lil Steven circa first half of 1970s), who is bullied by his well-meaning, but strict and dogmatic Catholic school teachers and nuns! ('Meat is Murder' album.) Struggle with cultural and social repression of Catholicism, romanticism, spirituality, poetry traditions, anti-imperialist struggle against British empire [for Irish] and against white America imperialistic tendencies [for Mexicans], being an "underdog", all those things are common for Irish and Mexicans. I'm not a Catholic, I'm Jewish, yet Moz appeals to me because his appeal and art are Universal by nature and cuts through religion and race borderlines. Yet, his thing for Mexican culture is very logical and understandable for me. "Esteban, not Steven tour? Why not! I'm not a racist, I'm Cosmopolitan." I think this is a normal reaction of a "white" Moz-fan, but again the whole "white-race" concept is very shaky by itself!

        Speaking about Jaguars, I enjoy Jaguares, I like Caifanes (the "motherband" of Jaguars) a lot, especially 2 their albums I own: el Silencio (1992) and another one with dark photo of all four of the Mexican lads: Saul Hernandez, Diego Herrera, Markovich etc... However, I'm not sure that this info (Jaguars & Moz touring together) is true. Like, some people would say (not racists, just normal people), if there is a sea battle ship, there ought to be only one Captain, not two or three. However, if Moz and Jaguars would be able to mix it together smoothly, cheers for both of them! Of course, I (and 99.9% of others) would go!

        Bottom line, Eye Kicker, you kicked yourself in the eye right now! And, cheers for all normal Mozfans of all races and religions!
        Fox in the Snow -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @04:07PM (#30196)
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  • I've seen Jaguares shows up and down the coast. I love them and will be there to see them again in September. Even if Morrissey doesnt show up and it was just a false rumor, I will not be dissapointed. I wont get my hopes up but if Morrissey does go, that will be the highlight of the year.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @08:46AM (#30130)
  • "It's so easy to laugh, it's so easy to hate, it takes guts to be gentle and kind."
    Some of you need to heed these words-if you love Moz or are a sensible human being.
    Mozzeybite -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @11:01AM (#30145)
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  • Jaguares is the best "current" spanish rock band that has a very loyal fan base all over the U.S. I wouldn't be surprised if Morrissey open for them because is what the music counts, not who goes first or second. I would gladly go to see this concert either way. Jaguares rock everytime in concert and Morrissey is a legend.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @11:14AM (#30147)
  • dashboard confessional? ugh. but hey i guess beggars can't be choosers, or whatever.
    ilovemoz -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @11:54AM (#30153)
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  • on Morrissey's birthday! It's already May 22nd where I am in the world and I cannot believe some of what I'm reading...

    Apologies to any casual or first-time visitors to this site that think Moz fans are f*cked.

    J
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @11:57AM (#30154)
  • The Jaguares may be great, they may even be the best band on the planet(although they probably are not) but Moz should not be supporting them. He was lead singer of the most influential band of the last 25 years, so please have some dignity Moz! Don't do this to us! After the Finsbury Park disaster and the Outsiders-tour with Bowie disaster, you really should know better!!!!
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @12:28PM (#30160)
  • Hijos de su puta madre, pinches racistas estan ardidos por que Moz le abre a Jaguares? o estan ardidos por que estamos dominando a US?, eh bola de pendejos, tienen miedo?? Ya tenemos todo el sur y vamos hacia el oeste y el este culeros, nosotros cojemos a sus hijas y oimos a la musica que nos gusta, no nos andamos con mamadas, UStedes apestan culeros, aceptenlo la raza latina es la mejor raza y pronto seremos los duenos del mundo...latinos e hispanos sigan cogiendo gueras je je
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @01:41PM (#30169)
  • i rather listen to dash board con. than the jags. As far as im concerned moz is the main attraction. He can singel handedly sale out the pond just like he brought thousands upon thousands to coachela. But no disrespect to the caifanes oops i mean los jaguares. O.C. will be waiting.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @01:43PM (#30171)
  • Every body is talking to much shit on the jags and it is un fair,but i bet all those shit talkers will show up to the show. And to the same critics stop being so goddamm critical on moz, as history woud have he dosent owe a damm thing. moz opening is better than no moz at all.
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @01:57PM (#30174)
  • I have decided that this year I want to fly somewhere to see a Morrissey show. I don't know what to do now. Buy tickets for these three shows or wait and do the same when he tours the UK. I would rather see him in the UK for both the history of his life and for the new experiance. I only have enough money for this to do one. What would you do? What if I don't get tickets for these dates and then he doesn't end up touring the UK in the end?!? This is driving me mad. I want to go to the Japan shows because I am a huge Suede fan as well but it's twice the cost of the other trip options and I can't swing that. Help! :)
    MOZ IS GOD
    MOZ IS GOD -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @05:24PM (#30204)
    (User #3249 Info | http://www.myspace.com/coldwarspies)
    • Re:Please advise by Anonymous (Score:0) Tuesday May 21 2002, @05:51PM
    • Re:Please advise by Mozzarella (Score:1) Tuesday May 21 2002, @11:37PM
      • Hi, Moz-arella. I never have seen Moz at Europe, I'm not that rich to go to Europe... alas. I think it is unfair to say his US shows from last Esteban Tour were all "hysterical". Moz US shows like people are all different.

        #1) His San Diego show (December 1999) was very pleasant and laid-back, Cox Arena had reasonable good acoustics, people were friendly and polite. My friend wanted me to show him Hillcrest scene and we got loaded aftershow... as usual... :-)

        #2 and #3) OK, his 2 LA shows (December 1999) were CRAZY, BABE! :-) Somebody got stubbed at first show... Lot of pushing and shoveling and kicking near the stage... :-) Yet, I was lucky to meet many cool people there nevertheless, some of them Orange County, some of them Angelenos. Moz had a good time at LA and was in good shape, but venue (at Sunset Blvd) was too small and shitty (space or lack of it and awful acoustics), people were suffocating near the stage, security were bunch of dickheads, sorry for my French. Yet Moz and fans were mostly cool, except near the stage. Overall, I had a "swell" time, as people of Jazz age would say! LA didn't succeed to ruin those two shows for me and my friend, even if City of Angels tried very hard... :-) Me and my friend had a lot of fan and, not that we are proud of that, we did our own share of craziness there: drinking beers from brown bags, pushin' and screamin' for the sake of good times! When at LA, do as Angelenos do! Right? :-)

        I remember, after second show, we (me and my friend) decided to let a good time roll and went to Rage to celebrate Moz, ourselves, and drink some more...
        So imagine a picture: me in Moz aka "Maladjusted" tour T-shirt and dirty weared Levi jeans, drunk... with my head on the bar... my black-leathered friend is ordering his 9th long I-land ice-t. My friend (on Hebrew): "Where am I?" Me: "USA. LA. West Hollywood. You are f*cked man, you need some grass to wake up. Everybody must get stoned..." My friend (to me): "You, ugly schmuck, do you love Morrissey... I love him" (sobbing) Me: "I love him too..." (drinking up another Absolute shot) Some Gucci-clad disco-boy Rage patron looking at us with horror: "Ouch, those guys are drunk. Yuck... " My 200-pound 6 foot tall friend responce (with his trademark thick Israeli accent): "I'm not your bitch, don't hang your shit on me". Oh, Madonna Golden Oldies... Next day morning was a time to pay for yesterday fun... I called my boss telling him I'm sick of dangerous form of flu: alcohol-induced Mozfluenzia... Drank a lot of cold sobering-up lemonade to prepare myself for Ventura trip.
         
        #4) The best show was at Ventura 2 days later... Very intimate spirit, Moz at his absolute best, nice city with perfect medium-size venue, wonderful peoples... I was told by some "veteran" of Moz touring, that Ventura show was one of the best ever... I was without my friend at Ventura (his boss didn't let him play hookie from his job, alas), but with very nice and square Mexican-Catholic girl (not girlfriend, just Moz-friend :-)), so no more drinking at Ventura after the show, just coffee and muffin... :-) Nice and quiet. To be 100% honest, I missed my friend at Ventura aftershow a little bit... But Catholic girls are so damn strict. Like nuns. And I confess, I'm not a monk :-)

        #5) 2000, March, Irvine, Orange County was only OK, too many screaming 16-year-olds, too impersonal, Moz looked a little tired... Still it was worth seeing him... Aftershow, Irvine "mainstream" sports bar was good to me and my friend up to the point, except he suddenly started fighting 3 OC rednecks over their remarks about his "faggot" leather pants... They would probably kill us, but bouncers saved us, and then those same bouncers kicked us out, so we had to drive to Fire Iseland at Long Beach to nurse our wounds there. Hey, no fight, no good time, right? That's my 5 times seeing Moz.

        Again, Moz US shows like people are all different. (Aftershows are all different too! With different drinks consumed...)

        Now, next Moz-tour is coming... Me and my friend are all prepared... :-)
        Fox in the Snow -- Wednesday May 22 2002, @01:01AM (#30220)
        (User #4967 Info)
      • Re:Please advise by MOZ IS GOD (Score:1) Thursday May 23 2002, @09:18AM
  • Start at the top and move about half way down the page. Soon you'll get to the comments about Morrissey and Menudo. To the people who made these suggestions- are you kidding me? I can't imagine it to be true. I can't imagine it as a sick joke.....
    Anonymous -- Tuesday May 21 2002, @06:39PM (#30207)
  • Dear Jim,

    We too, would like Morrissey to open for us in the near future.

    Sincerely,

    La Ley, Mana, Lupillo Riviera, and Menudo
    Jim Rome -- Wednesday May 22 2002, @03:08AM (#30236)
    (User #720 Info | http://www.jimrome.com/)
    ...and how?
  • Hey Morrissey, can you open for me and shine my shoes? Word out in Mexico city Enrique inglasias is looking for backup singers, maybe you should try out.
    Anonymous -- Wednesday May 22 2002, @06:30AM (#30255)
  • Wow! I came to this site in a happy mood just to wish our lovely Mozzer a happy birthday and I came to read all the ugly racist comments about Morrissey performing with Jaguares.Thank God Morrissey doesn`t think like you.Moz doesn`t have to open for anybody.He doesn`t have to share the bill with anybody.But he is and I would think that his fans no matter what color they are would be happy that he`s going to perform again.

    And to the other comment about him staying white.That is pure crap.Morrissey`s music is universal like all great music is.Morrissey does have a large hispanic fanbase because they relate to his music so well.Irish and Latino cultures have a great deal in common.Of course there is the Catholic religion.But there are other things like how families relate in these cultures and both have histories of prejudice and poverty.

    Morrissey write about those things.I`ve heard in England people stereotype the Irish.The same thing goes for hispanics in California.Morrissey writes about loneliness and a feeling of not belonging.And of isolation sadness,love,unrequited love.And those are universal themes.Thank goodness Morrissey is not as narrowminded as some of you seem to be.Morrissey is for everyone!And I`ll leave you with something from Morrissey himself "and your prejudice won`t keep you warm tonight".

    p.s.I know many hispanics who`ve loved Morrissey and The Smiths since the eighties! And people are not stereotypes they are individuals.So please don`t judge people by what you think they must be like because they belong to a certain group.It benefits no one.
    tibby -- Wednesday May 22 2002, @01:11PM (#30343)
    (User #2713 Info)
    ~I am a poor freezingly cold soul so far from where I intended to go ~I love Morrissey
  • he heard when Moz comes to the East Coast he will not be opening for anyone.
    Anonymous -- Thursday May 23 2002, @06:41AM (#30414)
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